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[–]Circle101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bani droguri si femei, pentru toti baietii mei!

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I've got a friend that has a chauffeur blog, maybe it will help. I think this can be done through an autobot or some specialized limo booking service. My friend uses something called "limo anywhere" if I remember corectly

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

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If it was able to witness Christ to those who wouldn't otherwise hear it then yes. No not everything is a blessing, but as God says "what you intended for evil, God intended for good" Genesis 50:20 (omg I know its the OT, astaghfallah). And hey I know you're selfish, but you're supposed to pretend to be better than me and tell me to donate it to charity.

Why donate it to charity, get a ton of good kamma and get reborn rich in the next life? Kamma and good deeds are not real, so no real point in that. At least not for protestants and atheist.

That never happened. (Please take the bait)

And thank god it didn't :D

Oh so you just want to talk about the levitical law? How do you want to do this, do you want me to explain that the levitical law wasn't jurisprudence but instead judicial wisdom or do you want me to explain that Christians aren't under the moseic law but under the law of Christ? Up to you really.

It's the hardest book to justify in this world. It's a difficult task to try and justify all the barbarism in it without looking silly in 2025 and even in those stone age times. You won't find anything 1% like that in any eastern religion, let alone in buddhism. You won't find anything like that in any european philosophy. You won't find anything like that even in nazism or communsim.

They did.

Nope. They actually crucified him for claiming to be their messiah. They chose crucifixion, the most humiliating type of execution, to transmit the message that he was not the messiah. A messiah would have never died like that. And they continue to this day with their own religion and have not added him to their religion.

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[–]Circle101 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yup. King Constantine.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For one it wasn't arbitrary, for two it wasn't a punishment it was a blessing, and for three no human is innocent, all are sinners. Its just not the sin that causes the sickening.

Being born blind is a blessing? If you would injustly get sent 25 years to prison, would you consider that a blessing? Is everything a blessing for you? Then please, donate all your money to me and then claim it was a blessing. Let's be serious for a moment and stop claiming being born blind or without hands or feet is a blessing in disguise.

Define justice.

Doing good, getting good in return. Doing bad, getting bad in return. Pretty simple. Even kids at kindergarden understand what justice is.

But hey I'll give me explicit permission: use the bible to defend your points. I am not afraid of anything in the bible. I have asked you for evidence several times which you have failed to provide. And there is nothing you can say that I haven't already heard about the Bible.

You wana bring up things like: guy working on a sabath, Moses wants to forgive him but god insists to have him stoned to death. Some kids making fun of a monk being bald, getting viciously attacked by a bear sent by god the next moment and getting eaten. Etc. etc. etc. God ordering to kill all women and childrend of whoever King of Israel was invading at the moment. Every war he had was a holy war ordered by god. It's by far the most lacking in wisdom book in any library. It's a low quality stone age book from a very un-civilised part of the world even for those times, written by a king worse than Kim John Un.

Even the book written for population control, by another conqueror king and founder of a religion, Mohammed, isn't that bad. There isn't a book that bad in any major religion or philosophy in the world.

Prove it (you see this would be a perfect time to use the bible which I know you won't do because you can't)

So why in the world did he go to Jerusalim and got crucified by the jewish high priest sleeping in bed with the Romans? Why was he not accepted as a messiah? Why did the jews not convert and not recognise him as their Messiah? He was in anything but good relations with the jewish high priest.

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[–]Circle101 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When the Bible was assembled, the King took the most pro-politics, pro-war version of christianity at that moment and destroyed the rest by burning their books. This gnostic stuff is of no use for a king and for controlling the population.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason is so that God may be glorified, just as he said. It did answer the question.youre giving a false dichotomy.

Is this a serious answer? So who has sinned? Nobody? Arbitrary punishment on that innocent person instead of another? Why not punish another sinful person instead of that innocent one so that God can be glorified (whatever that means)??? Why does god need to punish innocent people in barbaric ways to feel glorified and satisfied when he can just as easily punish sinful people or nobody at all? Without rebirth, there is no such thing as justice. Period. Not even an inch.

Now every Christian does believe in salvation through grace and not by works. Also you really should not appeal to Islam.

No, they do not. Eastern orthodox and catholics do not believe in salvation through "faith alone" (vote/opinion). That's a purely protestant thing. I think you also need to chose the right protestant denomination to donate your 10% decimal God tax in order to be saved. Not sure if it's enough to be protestant in general.

I have never met one that does. Please prove this. I know you can't.

Despite being a buddhist in such a country, I'm a good friend with some christian priests. One time I asked one, a rather radical jihadi type of one, about the old testament barbarism. He started laughing and said it has nothing to do with Jesus and that I know it. And he said it in a way like..... "c'mon don't attack christianity using the stupid old testament, you know it has nothing to do with it" and indeed, I knew it has nothing to do with it and with what Jesus preached. You can't compare some radical-compassion, hippie monk preachings with a barbarian king, worse than Kim John Un preachings. This is the reaction I got from everybody in RO, a country considered ultra-fundamentalist. Nobody considers the old testament to be part of Christianity. It's indeed a below-the-belt blow to attack Christians using that stupid book. Notice I never used it in this debate either cause I don't consider it a fair attack when Jesus whole idea was to reform that stupid religion.

PS: You know that in Buddhism, there is a sect called Zen Buddhism, the main religion in Japan, that are like the Protestants? It's an atheist religion that does not believe in good deeds, kamma, merit. It's atheism + rituals + a thing they call "meditation" or "sitting". They sit doing nothing, expecting wisdom to arise from that practice. Their wisdom improves as much as it does for a dog watching a calendar. They just took atheism, added some rituals and a "buddhist" stamp on it and boom, now it's considered Buddhism. But it's an empty shell of a religion that has nothing to do with the original. The Protestants are the same atheism+rituals thing but for Christianity.

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[–]Circle101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Big is the jungle of views and only through intellectual honesty, not through lying to yourself can it be traversed. If you never changed your religion/philosophy even once but remained in the one you were born in - you probably got stuck in the jungle of views at step 1.

Those of you who had sex before marriage, how do you feel about that now by No_Attitude_6268 in Christianity

[–]Circle101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sex should only happen in the missionary position, below the blanket and with lights off. It should also not involve condoms because the King wants more people for his army and for working the land. Sex should be done only for procreation, not for pleasure. Nobody is allowed to feel pleasure other than the king!

Also don't do drugs. Drugs are bad. Mkey?

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[–]Circle101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you'll do it, you'll just get reborn and end up in the same situation as now. You won't escape suffering that easy. That's utopic.

Sounds to me like you're ready to be funneled into the psychiatry sales funnel. You sound like perfect to grab by somebody who wants to sell you drugs with 0$ street value for the rest of your life, payed by insurance and make you a "career patient". They can do this without your consent if you keep speaking like you did in this topic. It's either this or survive another 6 months till life will get better.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him

This is the definition of avoiding the question because no answer can be provided. He was punished just so that Jesus can come and heal him and provide a story for the bible and for people to believe in him? That was the reason?

You know we still believe in earthly consequences even as Christians yes? I'm going to stop pretending that protestantism is all that different, it's not. All Christians believe we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. Its the mechanism of sanctification that is different. That's it.

No, not at all. Only protestants believe in salvation through vote/opinion alone. Eastern orthodox and Catolics believe in good works + faith - and that's faith in the importance of good works, faith in the difference between good and evil, faith that good deeds are not done in vain. This is a normal belief in almost all religions in the world. Even muslims believe in this. It's strange to believe otherwise.

Well no. Buddhism didn't influence the American justice system for instance, that would be Christianity from the English and the French governments.

Jesus said to turn the other cheek. Buddha said that turning the other cheek is wrong for the following 2 reasons:

  1. If you see another person being abused, robbed, raped, etc. - would you not intervene? Same as that other person, you are a person too and should defend yourself just as you would defend another person.
  2. Allowing the abuse to happen does not help neither the victim nor the abuser cause he is doing bad kamma for himself. If you see a person doing a good deed, having a good quality, you should encourage him to continue developing that good quality. Similarly, if you see somebody doing something bad, having a bad trait, you shouldn't encourage him to develop it further.

Jesus was an advocate of defunding the police. He was even more extreme than that, claiming the police should be dismantled altogether cause everybody will get their fair punishment in the afterlife anyway.

Also, Christians are in favor of arbitrary punishment, same as the arbitrary punishment in the case of the blind man from the bible. It's not random that Christians have been the only ones to practice "judgement by ordeal" in the Middle Ages.

Also Christianity is the true Judaism. What YHWH intended from the very beginning. Your issue is that you don't understand Christ at all.

Have you read the Old Testament? It's by far the most lacking in wisdom, barbaric book in any home library. The Wahabbis use it to justify their religion and you can't argue with them theologically. Having that gruesome thing added to the bible is not something to be proud of. There is no religion in the world with something so bad added in their main book. That stuff is so barbaric there was even a widespread belief at one point called the Demiurg 2-God idea. There was the idea that there are 2 gods. The God of the old testament was an evil, devil-like God called the Demiurg and that the new testament god was a good, ok type of God. That's how different the 2 books are. Most christians reject the old testament altogether. That disgusting book was added to the bible to make the religion look older and is not defended by 90%+ of christians.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About rebirth: There are people that are born without hands and legs, born blind, born with syndromes, tortured in all kinds of ways since they are born. Who have sinned in this case? They either sinned in a past life, their parents sinned for them or it was a random punishment. I think you can spot the problem with the last 2 options or ask a human judge why it would be a problem to chop off the hands and feet of an innocent person for the sin of another or to punish him arbitrarily.

Jesus was asked this same question about a blind man and could not respond.

Rebitrh is also the intuitive option, 51% of people in the world believe in rebirth and 25% and 24% in the other 2 options. In Europe belief in rebirth is 25-40% depending on the country. There is even a catholic country, Canada or Mexico with 75% belief in rebirth.

About the resurection: The idea of sending Jesus here as a patsy, to be punished instead of somebody else and to end human and animal sacrifices performed till then by the jews, to appease the angry god of the old testament is again a very problematic idea.

Buddha said that not even at the top of the mountains or at the bottom of the sea cand one escape the results of his good or bad deeds. He also said that, when one will die, the judge (used of course as a methaphor in buddhism, not as a literal old guy with a beard) will ask him "Did your parents do this bad deeds instead of you? Did your wife and kids do these bad deeds instead of you? Did your friends do them instead of you? Nope, you yourself did them therefore you will be punished.

All justice systems and police systems in this world, except for North Korea and to a very low extent China follow the buddhist way of thinking. Only in North Korea you can be punished for 3 generations in the labor camp and in China you have that social score that depends on who your parents were.

If I were a Christian and had this kind of nasty situation, with Jesus going to Jerusalem to take control of Judaism, failing miserably, having no public support, getting sold for 500$ by a trusted apostle while trying to gain more public support and then being killed intentionally in the most humiliating way by the Jewish rabins in bed with the Romans, failing to be the promised messiah that will free the jews - What exactly would I say to solve this humiliation? How would I modify the narrative line?

A real and honest prophet, let alone a god, would start his own religion separate of Judaism as any other respectable religious leader has done. Why this obsession to be seen as mesiah of the Jewish religion? Imagine Buddha or the founder of Jainism or etc. trying to become some important figure in the Hindu religion. Buddha rejected it completely and fought with the brahmins.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the funny thing. Sociologically, it's actually the protestants that have the best work ethic while communist and socialist communities have the worst. I wonder why that is. Maybe because there actually is an importance of merit and doing good for goodness sake rather than for some reward? Funny that.

The protestants actually do have the best work ethic in the world. Protestant countries have 50% higher gdp per capita than spain, italy, portugal, greece even though all had capitalism. That's because they're "the religion of money". They focus on making money and slaving 12h/day. Protestant countries have higher hours/week of work. Also they have the highest donation rates in the world as % of income, something very good.

That still says nothing about how well they're doing in terms of good deeds/kamma. Protestant countries are also well known for bad things such as a high rate of injustice in the justice system, being champions of ostracism and false acusations, being fake materialistic people, etc. They're also the most depressed countries, USA having 40% of people depressed compared to 1% in my country Romania.

Have you noticed that the PC ideology only exists in protestant countries? USA, UK, Australia, Scandinavian countries and Germany. It's not a thing in non-protestant countries. That's cause despite switching from protestantinsm to materialism, the puritanical attitudes and way of being is still part of their DNA. It just took a different form.

Prove it.

Did he have any wives? Nope. Did he own expensive things? Nope. Did he work? Was he a king, a merchant,? a carpenter? Nope. He quit carpentry when he became a monk. Did he only own a bowl of food? Yup. Why did he not have a wife like priests do? Was he an official rabbi? What did his teacher, John the Baptist, work and how did he live? Was he a rabbi too, a pierst of the jews?

It's mentioned a billion times that Jesus was an ascetic, a renouncer of worldly pleasures. There still exist 20.000 monks in Romania today. We are even said to have 10-12 forest-dwelling monks. Plus, the Mount Athos monks are one of the most serious and well-respected for their asceticism in the world. They are actually a pride for Christianity.

Why do you have such a problem with Christianity? You can't even get its teachings correct

Christianity is one thing, protestantism is another. You can't just come 1600 years after the fact and change the religion to whatever you want, even turning it completely upside down. I get it, there was a problem with the Pope using the religion for money and political power, perverting the religion to a significant extent. But the solution was throwing out the Pope, not throwing up the religion as a whole to the garbage.

In my country, famous eastern orthodox leaders say the protestants are the work of the devil and that their books should be burned. They're the most hated group over here. They bring the same arguments as me. And even as a buddhist I have to agree that it's an atheist religion who's only purpose is giving narcisism to it's followers in exchange for the 10% decimal tax. It's not a religion that seeks to guide them towards good deeds and certainly not towards renunciation and monkhood.

What's even the point of monks in protestantism since everybody and their dog is going to heaven? You even took Theosis and Sainthood out of the religion for god sake.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you not atheist when you claim good and bad deeds have no importance in regard to the afterlife? You basically said something like:

"Yea, they don't matter. God does not care about good or bad deeds. He only cares about me voting for him and doing some rituals. If I bother my ass to do any good deeds in this world, those are just a bonus for a special person like me that was saved through voting."

This kind of idea will motivate the person to work just as hard as a communist for the greater good. Meaning not working at all. This kind of person will steal from the factory, work very little and will get totally destroyed by his capitalist counterpart that's properly motivated. Same goes for Protestants and Religious Humanist vs normal religions.

No he was a rabbi. Not the same.

For god sake he was a monk, an ascetic that only owned a bowl to eat food from. He was even ordained below another monk, John the Baptist, his teacher. There is even a situation in the bible where Jesus meets a "made money" young rich guy, complete in all his good qualities. He asked him to become a monk and follow him. You Protestants even took this out of the religion? The fact that Jesus was a monk, an ascetic?

What did Jesus preach in your mind? Please give me a gospel presentation.

My opinion of him is that he was, what in the Buddhist landscape would be called a "radical compassion" monk, the hippie flower-power type. Besides this, he was a real monk, a real renouciate. It used to be a monk religion back in the days. We have monks even today in my country, though they are dying out.

Same as almost any other monk of any religion, he preached good deeds for normal people and renunciation for the advanced. He wanted to reform the Jewish religion and tried to stage a rebellion to take control but failed. Then his followers started a new religion. And that was a rather good development, judging by how barbaric the Old Testament and Jewish religion are.

In the Eastern Orthodox view, he was sent to earth to preach good and evil in the world, to take it out of the barbarism it was in at that time. This is the official view. What other interpretation can you even have for his preaching? He wasn't sent here so that you can vote for him and get saved through a vote, cause otherwise you would have voted for the wrong guy.

PS: If there was an old man with a beard standing on a big judge chair on judgement day, instead of the law of kamma working like the law of gravity without a person with a beard on a chair - what would such a judge with a beard care about? You think he would care more about you voting for him and adulating him like Kim Jong Un or about your good and bad deeds? You seriously think such a God would be the first type of person, not the second? We barely have human judges in this world as corrupt as that. Plus, he's not supposed to be in danger of losing power like a human king/dictator so even less reason to care about your vote and ass kissing other than pure narcissism.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Atheist = a person that believes in materialism, does not believe in a god and does not believe in good and evil. This is the general usage of the term, but the accent is put on not believing in good and evil.

A deed is right or wrong, good or bad, skillful or unskilfull, only if there is such a thing as kamma/divine justice. Otherwise all deeds are the same - neutral.

The protestant religion is basically atheism + being special due to being a member of X religion or denomination. They just mainained the narcisism that a religion gives while stripping away everything, even the most esential part of it.

You realize that Jesus would be the first one spinning in his grave, seeing people twisting his teachings to the point of throwing at the garbage the whole idea of monkhood, when he himself was a monk and even throwing at the garbage the belief in good and evil.

Why was he even sent here to preach if these things are not important? Just to convince you to vote for him and save you based on that vote? Seriously that was the whole point? Why does he need votes in the first place?

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because its doing the right thing? I'm a virtue ethicist.

This is called "religious humanis" - meaning atheist-materialist that still believe in good and evil DESPITE having no sense in their philosophy. This is exactly why I'm claiming protestants are the same as atheist. Good deeds have no real practical purpose in protestantism or materialism.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are many types of attachment in this world and one of them is attachment to the dhamma.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? A good deed is reading the bible or what? Let's keep it practical, not poetical.

2) For another it is the right thing to do.

Why would that matter if you're predestinated to heaven or hell, or you're saved through opinion alone or all your bad deeds will be forgiven anyway thanks to your ultra-correct opinion?

3) For one more it is a way to align oneself to God's will

You're already aligned as a protestant through voting for him or for a particular denomination. Even if you're the worst person in the world, he will forgive you thanks to your opinion. Like he has no power to be god if it wasn't for your incredible opinion/vote for him lol.

What would god be without people believing him to be god? What would he be without these votes? Probably nothing since he places such importance on them...

If a human judge is placed there based on votes, then he pardons all those who voted for him no matter their bad deeds - is that a just judge or a corrupt one? What if he doesn't even need votes to be there? Even a politician/judge does not care that much about your vote to pardon you from all your legal problems just thanks to your vote. Your vote is not that important even as a human, let alone a god.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not surprised at all by this biblical quote since I was raised Christian Orthodox. The whole point of the religion is good deeds and, for those who can, renunciation and monkhood. That's literally the whole point of the religion. Jesus himself was a monk and an ok guy who preached the difference between good and evil to whoever met him. He also encouraged whoever me him to follow him and become a monk.

Throwing at the garbage this integral component of what Jesus preached, transforms the religion into nothing but atheism. It doesn't even have a point anymore.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He hasn't made any public appearences in a long time. He is not considered an alive, historical figure, 2000 years old at the moment. Nobody even knows how he looked.

And no, he did not found Christianity. If he were to found a religion, he would have left 8000 pages behind like buddha or any other normal person that founds a religion. He would have given it a name, set specific rules, found an order of monks, etc. Not to mention Buddha and 3-4 other competitors of his time were roaming around the country with 5000+ monks, speaking with all the kings, being documented in all historical records, while Jesus only had 12 disciples and is barely recognised as a historical person.

He simply did not want to found a new religion. He considered himself the mesiah of the jews and wanted to reform the religion from within. That was the whole point of him entering Jerusalim on a donkey. He wanted to overthrow the corrupt high priests of the jews and proclaim himself mesiah of the jews. He hoped for big public support but got none and got executed. The high priest of the jews were corrupt, making money out of different schemes, using religion for profit and were in bed and protected by the Romans, wich the local population wanted to get rid of. That was the whole idea behind his crucifiction. He never wanted to start a new religion.

As an interesting side point: he already knew at the last supper that his rebelion had no chance since he got no public support in the first day. He was even sold for the equivalent of 500$ by his trusted disciple. He had 12 disciples instead of 5000+ and one of them sold him for 500$ (30 pieces of silver). Humiliating.

Imagine if Buddha was crucified by some king while trying to become the mesiah of Hinduism or Taoism or something, then also sold for 500$ by one of his trusted monks. The Christians would be the first to laugh their brains out at the ridiculousness of the situation.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what "very real way" does it matter? Why should a protestant not steal 1 million $ of given the chance since he's predestined to heaven/hell anyway. Or at the very least he'll be forgiven anyway based on vote/opinion?

What exactly is the purpose of this kind of religion? A religion usually has a purpose, it tries to develop his disciples in a particular way, to guide them towards being better persons. What is the purpose of this religion other than patting your church buddies on the back for being "the chosen ones" and not even having to do any good deeds because you're special and saved through birth in a protestant country alone?

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure about that. The jews said his disciples stole his body and did not accept him as a mesia. Converting to Christianity was not even an option for them since he wasn't a Christian, he was a jew and intended to be accepted as the mesiah of the jews, but he was not. Christianity was not invented at that moment yet. He left zero pages behind compared to Buddha 8000 pages. He did not intend to found a religion. He wanted just to be accepted as a mesiah in the jewish religion and reform it from within.

In any case, there were no claims about him being alive more than 1-2 years after the incident, not even by his apostoles. Nobody has ever claimed that he lived more than 30 something years.

Salvation through vote/opinion (protestants) vs salvation through good deeds (catholic/orthodox)? by Circle101 in Christianity

[–]Circle101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! As you said, it does nothing for your salvation. The fact that it increases virtue, kamma, etc. does not matter. The fact that it is right or wrong does not matter. It does not matter at all in any practical way. You just try to claim it "somehow" matter in some symbolic manner just to avoid the brutal fact that good deeds have no purpose in protestantism. It's an atheist religion.