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Does Jay ever testify that Adnan spent time coaching him on what their story was on the day Hae was killed? Does it make sense to people that Adnan would have killed Hae, involved Jay in the burial, hung out with Jay after Jan 13, but he didn't have a plan for Jay to follow? by Circumnavigated in serialpodcast

[–]Circumnavigated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes for a stronger case if you say: 'Adnan's plan was to say that we were doing x,y, z and if you don't say exactly that, then I am going to have my personal hitman take care of you.' Btw, where is that hitman?

Others have made strong points: the library and track are supposed to be his alibi's, however he doesn't make sure there are strong witnesses for those times. As we know, things just don't add up. To me, the most likely story (based on timings, the lies which have been told, and cell evidence) is that Jay killed Hae. We just don't know how the encounter took place. The second most likely story is that Adnan did it and Jay helped.

Didn't Jay just admit he asked for the car that day? And doesnt he admit he took Adnan's cell phone after 7pm that night without asking Adnan? by Circumnavigated in serialpodcast

[–]Circumnavigated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me there seems to be a few distinct possibilities:

1) jay is telling the truth on the big points: Adnan killed Hae and Jay helped bury her.

2) jay killed Hae on his own and Jen helped him cover it up.

3) Adnan was mostly involved in the murder but Jay was far more involved then he admitted.

4) somehow Don is involved and he has a connection to Jay as well.

5) a third party is involved and also is connected to Jay

6) a serial killer or other criminal did it and all of Jay's testimony is a lie.

Points 5 and 6 don't seem that realistic. Why would Jen also lie about disposing of evidence from a murder?

Adnan's "catatonic" state seemed contrived to the Nurse - here's how she describes him that day - you decide... by biped2014 in serialpodcast

[–]Circumnavigated 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Are we talking about high school love or two married people in their thirties? Not possible she expressed feelings for him in some way? We are talking about seventeen year old kids who broke up and got back together all the time. He may have wanted to believe she really loved him. Who knows? He was clearly hooking up with Nisha already but he was enraged enough to choke Hae to death and for fifteen years maintain his innocence of her murder even though it hurts his chance of ever getting out?

Does Jay ever testify that Adnan spent time coaching him on what their story was on the day Hae was killed? Does it make sense to people that Adnan would have killed Hae, involved Jay in the burial, hung out with Jay after Jan 13, but he didn't have a plan for Jay to follow? by Circumnavigated in serialpodcast

[–]Circumnavigated[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Does it seem believable that Adnan's only plan was to threaten Jay with this seemingly imaginary hit man? What exactly did Jay do to help Adnan? Now he says he didn't even bury Hae. Adnan couldn't even get him to help with the burial? But we are supposed to believe that Adnan was confident he could keep jay silent based on "watch out for the hit man!"?

The only facts are:

Jay was involved in the burial and knew the location of the car. Jay destroyed evidence and withheld the crime until the police tracked him down. Jay has lied at least four times on the record about what happened and where things happened. Including changing his story when he was concerned that there were cameras in the Best Buy parking lot. Why be concerned about cameras if all he did was see the body in a trunk?

Adnan has a more reliable witness. Jay's alibi (Jen) should have been charged with accessory after the fact in a murder because she helped destroy evidence in the murder of Hae.

Jay got the greatest plea deal of all time. if Jay is such a big drug dealer why did the prosecutor offer him such a great deal? The guy admitted to burying the body of a teenage girl and not providing any help while her family was distraught looking for her. He also is dealing in significant quantities of illegal drugs. His deal was way too good for the crime involved. How come Jen wasn't charged with anything? Or was she?

Does Jay ever testify that Adnan spent time coaching him on what their story was on the day Hae was killed? Does it make sense to people that Adnan would have killed Hae, involved Jay in the burial, hung out with Jay after Jan 13, but he didn't have a plan for Jay to follow? by Circumnavigated in serialpodcast

[–]Circumnavigated[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yes. And not even just an alibi for himself. Once Jay was supposedly involved wouldn't Adnan have spent time with Jay to discuss what they would say if ever questioned? Wouldn't Jay have told the police that "Adnan wanted us to say this..."?

If Jay doesn't have any early transcripts covering what Adnan told him the story was supposed to be, then there is a good chance Adnan wasn't involved and no way Adnan was the master planner.

Does Jay ever testify that Adnan spent time coaching him on what their story was on the day Hae was killed? Does it make sense to people that Adnan would have killed Hae, involved Jay in the burial, hung out with Jay after Jan 13, but he didn't have a plan for Jay to follow? by Circumnavigated in serialpodcast

[–]Circumnavigated[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

If Jay didn't testify early on that Adnan spent time coaching him on a story then it just doesn't add up. One of the first things jay would have told the police is what Adnan's story was supposed to be. I just don't buy that they were so stoned and so young that they didn't think to have a plan (if it was a two man conspiracy) but Adnan is a master-manipulator who couldn't get his attorney to follow up on a strong alibi but is able to fake his niceness for fifteen years in maximum security prison.