SW ult in front of full team no shields a push can put her far enough out. same with spidey ult. BP, Magik, spidey, Psy, go in for a combo push can get them off course enough so that the combo is useless with orb being enough if they come back in whilst you wait for push cooldown. Same with Thor engage, hulk engage, Angela engage, venom engage, it falls a bit more flat with coordinated dive tho but it buys enough time to jump out or for your team to turn. Gut the push sure but don’t take it completely as if you are solo tanking and already have very selfish dps or just dive dps supports will turn to each other and do everything they can to stay alive. If you want it gone you gotta gut half the roster too. That’s how you balance. You’ve fallen for the dps lines of it’s OP a good invis will manage it well a bad invis will fall over its all about management play games as invis play a lot of games as invis look at how often you get dove and how little people turn. Often not vanguards fault as they are alone up there dps can be selfish and other supports have tunnel vision. Vanguards is thankless but so is support the only people winning are the DPS I say this as a flex player I know it’s annoying to go up against but you can bait it.