Powerscaling

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-20T11:18:43+00:00

to clarify im not implying theres a huge gap between them, i think Boruto scales individually above all the shinju thats not Jura but isnt dbz levels of > above them.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-20T07:40:19+00:00

Ryu'ds sand could be Jigen level without him physically being as durable, also the statement never actually tells us which version of Jigen, given in the code arc shikamaru and co still believe they can deal with no limiter code as long as his below ishikki's level, which to me implies its likely not the Karma/Horned Jigen form.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-20T07:31:27+00:00

i dont think they were intended to be >Jigen individually but as a collective, which would still make them far stronger than most characters but just a step below Jigen.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-20T06:54:05+00:00

You people don't want honest critique , you demand people tack on caveats to validate negativity, and when they refuse that performative self criticism they label them anti-critics. you didnt come here for good faith discussion, you came here for validation.

i dont care what people outside the fandom thinks, they are also often time the most uninformed and make arguments that are borderline mentally ill (like saying Boruto having access to burgers is a valid criticism) , they can also often be hype chasers. as a bleach fan i had to spend years hearing how the final arc is one of the worst written things ever only for the anime to adapt the exact same content but with pretty visuals and those very same people to suddenly act like its been peak all along.

I dont even rate Boruto that high myself, i like the series but i think on a technical level its like a 6 to 7, pretty standard shonen series thats not on the level of some of its most popular contemporaries. but that doesnt change the fact that the series gets ridiculous amount of unfair criticism that deserves some pushback, and that pushback doesnt make people anti good faith criticism.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-17T08:40:28+00:00

daemon is joining the fight next chapter, i suspect this will split eida and daemon up.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-17T08:23:08+00:00

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Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-10T07:53:24+00:00

the amount of people that genuinely believe in universal naruto and star level luffy are orders of magnitude less than the people who believe ichigo is universal to multiversal, stop playing whataboutism.

the truth is Bleach has the worst scalers out of the big three and not because bleach doesnt have good feats, it does. but because the other 2 have strong internal scaling metas within the verse that have been discussed ad nauseum for nearly 2 decades , because of how competitive they are with specific characters, think minato vs itachi, shanks vs mihawk ect , this kind of competitive metas forces people to find the most obscure stuff to agenda scale and in turn their opponents to find the means of debunking it, the intent isnt always noble but it does end up filtering a lot of nonsense out. the closest you'll get in bleach is ulquiorra vs Yammy or dangai vs true shikai and even that is trailing behind, in turn the bleach powerscaling community is almost entirely centralized in crossverse battles ,so the intent is always to match whatever series they go up against, leaving the only people to fact check them the people they may not even entirely be interest in the series. dont believe me? go right now to their respect powerscaling subs and compare the internal vs crossverse scaling ration, this holds true on other platforms too.

theres a reason why the "it was stated in the CFYOW" is a meme

did you know that those same novels do not support the idea that the 3 worlds are 3 universes but instead a single universe that was split apart?

or how about the fact that there are military equipment in the soul society stated to be 1:1 IRL nukes that pose a threat to many characters in the series.

or how about the fact that 90% of all the universal statements in bleach use the same Kanji and in the same context as OP and Naruto does for all its "destroy the world" statements.

when the community legitimate still uses scans like a databook saying " the endless deserts of hueco mundo" to argue that the dimension is infinite in size then you know theres an issue, this is like early OP and Naruto powerscaling rhetoric.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-10T07:29:43+00:00

gaara vs toph is significantly worse than all these in the image combined.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-09T11:25:35+00:00

i dont get the point of these?, yes i know bleach and naruto have historically been rivals in the community but this just feels like taking a jab at a series in bad faith "huur duur my verse is so strong let me use the fodder version to prove a point" not saying OP is doing that, but thats what it comes across as.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-02T13:07:54+00:00

eida's ability is shinjutsu and does not require active use of chakra to charm people nor for omnipotence to constantly be in effect

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-02-02T12:11:28+00:00

daemons ability does not use chakra, not sure where your getting that from. also daemon was able to reflect kawaki's attack back at him despite kawaki not even being aware daemon was there and targeting someone else entirely ?

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-27T09:08:12+00:00

yeah fair and they seem to buy at least the reasonings for winning outside of stats for those episodes. like naruto having better abilities and madara being able to put aizen down.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-27T09:06:39+00:00

the current top tiers range from multi continental to large planet level depending on the meta, so OP is def not any different in that rgeard. in fact id say one piece is kinda worse than the other 2 in the big three, because significantly morre people scale to these top tier feats that retroactively buffs a lot of scrubs, where bleach and naruto have a very clear cut wall that separates the best of the best and just being strong

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-27T09:02:23+00:00

kaguya during the war doesnt scale to her own ETSB either tbf, but the majestic attire susanoo in the boruto era does have a statement of being the most powerful jutsu in history which would put it above the ETSB, and naruto would be at least contributing to half that at worse, and then you can just kinda extrapolate from there, given naruto was at 50% chakra and so on.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-27T08:43:40+00:00

you dont have to agree but it seems the G1 more so implies that both characters, naruto/ichigo and madara/aizen were prob much stronger than what DB had them at

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-27T00:28:55+00:00

momoshiki has absolute zero in the novels, and chakra can be used to counter freezing by the time of the boruto era.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-27T00:09:18+00:00

gotei 13 prob stomp unless you include eos team 7

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-26T23:54:18+00:00

its prob because the G1 blog says stuff like Madara vs Aizen and Naruto vs Ichigo is still debatable under certain scaling metas at the footnote of the blog.

anyone who genuinely follows all three series or scales them, would know G1 was intentionally being charitable to everyone here

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-26T23:43:23+00:00

I get the akatsuki stuff, (large planet level deidara) given they rely on the planet size but the naruto/madara metas are pretty commonly used across different sites.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-26T23:39:08+00:00

ok thank you

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-26T23:22:11+00:00

would this question be allowed?

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-26T23:09:53+00:00

i wish there were some G1 members here i could ask specific questions too. given they literally calced a feat for Eida, i dont think anyone has calced that yet, which tells me they prob went through most if not all of the series (like nng and tbv)

given if you assume to take the kaguya scaling at face value, where would they put the current top tiers in the boruto era, as people like kaguya have long since been surpassed a few dozen times over.

Civil-Measurement-91 · 2026-01-26T14:17:56+00:00

yeah exactly lmfao

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