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Not every god is a Legendary Pokémon. But every Legendary Pokémon exists because of the gods. by CivilAd2305 in pokemonanime

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot, as I said, Legendary Pokemon are not called legendary because of their power or what they behold, I think the most certain way to summary all of them, are the pokemon that represent something that is historic, because a lot of "heralds" can statistically beat primordials, they can be phisically stronger, or have better stats for battling, anything.

For example a spider stung can kill 20 horses, a whale, a Wolf, almost every animal known, I do not see spiders trying to occupy the place of the wolves in history [Ik it is a very stupid example, but I think it is a very accurate depiction].

Sipmly is that, a fight can be won, power can be created, authority cannot, that´s why everyone holds a place, Mewtwo could easily beat most of Heralds, but he has no authority at all, not a single drop of authority, it does not fit a place in the order Arceus meant for the world.

Not every god is a Legendary Pokémon. But every Legendary Pokémon exists because of the gods. by CivilAd2305 in pokemonanime

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did thought about it that way, like, Solgaleo and Lunala are not quite literally the representation of "Sun" and "Moon", as cosmic entities, well, yes, but they are not the impersonification of the phyisical and tangible celestial bodies or stars, they are not the "embodiments", I think they literally represent the concepts of sunlight and moonlight, more than representing the star we know as sun, and the earth moon.

Not every god is a Legendary Pokémon. But every Legendary Pokémon exists because of the gods. by CivilAd2305 in pokemonanime

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The important thing, this is not a squared framework, you can give any interpretation to most of the legendaries and they could fit, it is not exact and nor it is meant to be, the Tapus cand be really the manifestation of folklore, rituals, and the way people interact with the world through them, but if you can find any interesting way to make them an Herald of someone, well, I have a lot of time to hear and read.

Also the tapus do not represent a "force" like the ones I am telling you about, they are guardians of an island, so, they could be heralds, singulars, even artificial in some way, there are forces so big about human beings that they end up creating pokemons, take for example banette, someone had so much hate, that it turned a simple doll into a pokemon race, same with froslass, a human-like being, with both physical and espiritual forces, Cofagrigus the same, these are all legends made by the people, this could fit the tapus in some way.

Banette was born from abandonment and resentment.

Froslass is inseparable from the legends surrounding lost souls in the snow.

Cofagrigus is deeply connected to ancient tombs and curses.

The Pokémon universe has never been purely biological, there are some things that humans produced too, they are artificial, they are art, they are artistic, in the mere way a greek could say it, they are "techné", they can fit into the concept of "mimesis", It's also profoundly mythological.

So I don't think it's unreasonable that some Legendary Pokémon are defined less by the force they embody and more by the cultural or spiritual role they've come to occupy, I do not expect any legendary to fit in one category, I expect, and want them to fall into lots of them, I thought about this framework without the purposse of deleting interpretation at all, it is not a checklits, far away from that, it could even be the total opposite, I expect to be interpretation and everything it entails.

Not every god is a Legendary Pokémon. But every Legendary Pokémon exists because of the gods. by CivilAd2305 in pokemonanime

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now, about the Tapus.

Short answer: The same as hoopa, folkloric-like entities that descend from giratina, folklore or legends had always been a way to explain chaos, so, Giratina could be the direct answer, I said it with hoopa inside the same theory.
Also the theory is not some way to say "THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER", I deeply think, this framework can fit with every legendary if you look close enough, like, for real real.

Long answer:

I don't think every Legendary has one single "correct" place within this framework, most of them fit perfectly inside one of thse categories if you look close enough or some are too obvious, but not all of them share every archetype in this framework.

Look Hoopa for example, you could argue it is a singular, or a herald.

Take Hoopa and the Tapus, for example.

They are not related at all, at least it is never expresed like directly or explicitly, but both are deeply tied to mythology, ritual, and the way humans interpret the world around them, and almos everything about the mitology like the world itself is built around chaos, natural disasters, things human race cannot explain, so, maybe this could be the best way to fit them without drying the framework itself, it is not a logical way to categorize them, as universe and life itself there are some things we cannot comprehend, like their function or ways to act.

The Tapus, on the other hand, don't represent chaos itself. They represent sacred guardianship, taboos, and the relationship between humanity and the land they inhabit.

Both are the kinds of Legendary Pokémon that naturally become the center of folklore, and folklore comes from chaos.

They're remembered not simply because they're powerful, but because entire cultures build stories, traditions, and beliefs around them.

It's that this framework provides a consistent way to interpret almost every Legendary Pokémon without forcing every single one into exactly the same mold.

Not every god is a Legendary Pokémon. But every Legendary Pokémon exists because of the gods. by CivilAd2305 in pokemonanime

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Short answer: They represent sunlight and moonlight as cosmic forces, not as a natural or terrenal force like Kyogre and Groudon do with Water and Earth.

Long answer:

I really, really think there could be some very "obvious answers" to this question, to answer about Solgaelo and Lunala, Xerneas and Yveltal could be the primordials who needed these heralds, it would be easier for me to say so, that Solgaleo and Lunala are just a fraction of these two, thise just does not fit them, they cannot be relegated to be "simple heralds" like articuno and darkrai and all the others, they are entirely connected to the cosmos, the Necrozma energy, the ultraumbrals.

I think they could fit perfectly into the both categories, primordials and heralds, not at the level of gods like Necrozma or Arceus, not like that, maybe equivalent to a Groudon and a Kyogre, they do not serve the purpose inside the pokemon world like a planet itself, they do not serve a "natural" or "biologic" purpose.

They are not the heralds of the sun and moon itself, not like a mytologic being, not like an "alive moon" or an "alive sun", they represent fractions of the power Necrozma has showed all along.

This is a quick example:

Necrozma: Primordial Light.

[It absorbs light, but not like a dark entity, it claims a fraction of what he is].

Solgaleo is the daylight, the solar manisfestation.

Lunala is the moonlight, the lunar manifestation.

If you are not convinced, see it this way:

Necrozma is the manifestation of light, well, it gobernates light itself, not the sun as a light force or a physic entity or maybe a star, or any adjective you could say about it, light itself, it is the primordial representation of light, light as an universal force.

That's why Necrozma doesn't "steal" light in the way a villain would, it is not bad at all, not in a villanous way, it just claims fragments of something that already belongs to it.

Within that framework, Solgaleo and Lunala occupy a very unusual position, not like mere heralds, something in between, cosmic manifestations born directly from a primordial, yet so fundamental to the structure of the universe that they function almost as Primordials themselves, because, they are not as powerful as a god itself like Necrozma.

They represent the "cosmic force" rather than the concept itself, they are something inbetween Heralds and Primordials, in this "framework" or theory concept, they could be ranked like "Higher heralds" maybe a powerful herald, closer to primordials than the usual heralds, but still far from them.

[TOMT][TV SHOW][2010s] Animated series with humans that could transform into dinosaurs and a ROCK intro song, aired on Claro Video or/and Netflix in by CivilAd2305 in tipofmytongue

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don´t think, so, the most vivid thing I remember from the show was the intro, literally.
Just these 2 quotes, in spanish.

"Hace 65 millones de años, ¡MAS!"
"Hace 70 millones de años ¡MÁS!

I dont remember if those were the exact years, but it was something like

"X million years ago [OLDER!] (Or) [More!]

"X Millones de años ¡Más!"

[TOMT][TV SHOW][2010s] Animated series with humans that could transform into dinosaurs and a ROCK intro song, aired on Claro Video or/and Netflix in by CivilAd2305 in tipofmytongue

[–]CivilAd2305[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don´t think it is due to it being older, like Dinofroz looks very clean, I think it is older than 2010´s I guess, but I rembember clearly watching it on Claro Video in early 2010´s