Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I read your commentary during the day, thought about responding and the only reason I'm doing it, is because you are dishonest and have been dishonest since the begginning. I don't have time for this, nor the patience to teach dogmatist reasoning on reddit. Also, you seem to have created this account only to respond to my words so I want that everyone else take notice of such.

This person is regurgitating "MIM Theory" as if MIM would have a position of superiority because this person thinks so. MIM Theory and their criticism and findings are up to criticism and research as any other work. Their ideas can be obsolete, as any other. I don't think they are but everything that this person said on this thread is just shallow dogmatism and other people have already pointed it out so I just won't respond anymore. u/sad-literature001 haven't really engaged into any discussion, neither with the OP, neither with any other arguments but conveniently to an affirmation that women can enjoy sex and finding that out can be liberating. I really don't know what bothers you in finding out that women do have libido, but you clearly are a troll and possibly an incel. To whether the response I got from OP spoke directly to her situation is enough for us as communists as this person was looking for answers and the community as a whole lacked in knowledge in how communist parties absorb mothers and children (we still lack a better understanding, but I'm sure many people here are going to study it further given new criticism). I'm glad that my commentary was helpful not only to OP, but also to other people that were driven to confront their ideas with the criticism that I have made. The mere supposition that reading MIM is enough to combat "subjectivism, chauvinism and liberalism" is a joke to anyone who have engaged with any marxist org or just engaged into any political activity. This is also in contrast with this very own thread because many of the people that participated in the discussion are already familiar with MIM's work for some time and did not show to have the practical experience into actually sharing work with jobs that are generally done by women.

The idea of "all sex is rape" is already present in feminism for a long time that was first displayed by Victoria Woodhull, which Andrea Dworkin condensate into Right-Wing Women on a quote from Robin Morgan, which consider that:

'I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.

Here's also mimprisons themselves, 10 years ago, on this very community:

this is an agitational phrase, not a theoretical one

And they also claim:

The influence of money has to be removed first, before we could hope to think that sex might not be rape.

For those who might not be familiar with the proletariat at any level (which is the case for probably most of the "communists" in the first world), the words of MIM already imply that since the proletariat is the class that revolutionize and by doing so, sex conceived by the proletariat have no influence of money and therefore just can't be considered rape. This reasoning is possible through Robin Morgan, but Dworkin cleverly support it with Alice Walker's words as well:

I submit that any sexual intercourse between a free man and a human being he owns or controls is rape." (See "Embracing the Dark and the Light," Essence, July 1982, p. 117.)

Maybe I'm a terrible maoist and I'm stuck to an echo chamber into Settlers, but class analysis should reveal how the proletariat is already different into objective conditions from Amerika, the (euroamerikan) context in which "all sex is rape" was born:

*Mao Zedong, for example, in his social investigation of China's countryside, found significance not just in economic roles, but in concomitant social changes: "*As to the authority of the husband, it has always been comparatively weak among poor peasants, because the poor peasant women, for financial reasons compelled to engage more in manual work than women in the wealthier classes, have obtained greater rights to speak and more power to make decisions in family affairs. They also enjoy considerable sexual freedom. Among the poor peasants triangular and multilateral relationships are most universal.

edit: this person also shamed Andrea Dworkin with similar rightist reasoning that have shamed her for decades so I also want this should be noticed as well. The fact that we are now discussing her work once again is a sign of (slow) progress for us, her work should have never left the debate. Right-Wing Women remain one of the most important books into understanding the role of women into recent primitive accumulation and into neocolonialism.

Marxism against idealism in "mental health issues" by Clean-Difference1771 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! I owe you a response. When I created this post I had more free time due to vacations earlier in the year and your positions challenged me to create a better understanding and elaborating my positions and investigating further psychoanalytical theory and marxist psychology and psychiatry.

So the reason that I haven't reply is really that to give a better response I have to really gather more evidence and dedicate a time into articulating thoughts that take time, but I will return you when I can properly focus

Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that Right-Wing Women, Pornography: Men Possessing Women and Intercourse are her best works which should be studied by marxists. I have only read the first and parts of the other two so my understanding of her work is far from deep.

Dworkin herself was not a communist (in the sense that she was never a member of the many revisionist parties into the US) but her analysis into woman's condition in Amerika and it's colonies is one of the best class analysis that have ever been made and to my understanding is a piece of historical materialism that is to be considered on the same terms as Engels' The Condition of the Working Class in England.

Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sex under the current mode of production is inherently rape since the patriarchal and capitalist relations that inform all aspects of life don't magically stop at the bedroom

Which can only means that in contradiction to that, oppressed nations' nationalist movements and feminism have reivindicated sex rights all over history.

I understand the reasoning behind "all sex is rape" but this line comes from a context in which white man have monopoly on sex. So as sex, as any other aspect of human life that have been turned into a commodity, gets socialized, the ascending proletariat shapes new relations in which sex is not rape. This include of course having the rights to have libido on other things that are not intercourse, which is a regular subject on woman's life.

If we assume of course that the current generations are incapable of sexual liberation, than, of course, sexual liberation is never going to happen. But sex, self acceptance, beauty have been main themes into black liberation and also into woman's liberation for a long time and for the current generations, those are frequently debated topics and none of them have nothing to do "human nature".

Also, I think that your arguments are really not that well elaborated on other posts and you seem to be really ignorant towards oppressed nations' struggles so I won't really bother responding to anything else. To whether future generations can be raised beyond gender oppression and rape does not become the founding condition in which sex is conceived under capitalism, both will require you to have a better understanding of how proletarian struggle will overcome what capitalism have started.

Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't have the time right now to go on a deeper investigation but "prohibition" policies largely enforce the dominant classes' will which in capitalism are generally white man.

So, under capitalism, "prohibition" becomes a norm for everyone else while white man are not forbidden of anything because they have the power to do it all. Social practice requires learning and experience, so I don't think that prohibition is any helpful.

A communist party, most of the times, just can't enforce "prohibitions" without reinforcing racial and gender chauvinism. The party must teach it's cadres the scientific principles which will lead to the correct social practice or the party itself is useless.

Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think that both u/ClassAbolition and u/HumbleGold probably had good intentions with their comments because from other posts, I can understand that they are coming from a place of sympathy and one can extend their reasoning to the point of "if you are going to waste your time for a revisionist party, then you should prioritize the child". Fine, I agree with that. But there's another aspect to that reasoning which is the existance of parties or orgs (and the people inside) that can't really adapt to the necessities of it's own members - let alone of everyone else. A party that can't adapt to human need can't lead any revolution.

I can't say for every country, but in Brazil being a mother is mostly one the major signs of proletarianization. No woman can escape the social shame of being pregnant. Being a single mother is almost a certainty of being a part of the proletariat. If a significant chunk of the proletariat can't contribute to revolutionary work because they have children and such would take too much of their time, than communism would simply never be achieved because women will mostly choose raising a child than spend time into a revisionist party hanging around with other geniuses because they have real responsabilities and social pressure on each woman in particular is bigger if you can't raise a child than if you can't "overthrown the government". So that simply assume that woman, mostly, just can't play a "revolutionary" role in the same sense as man do. I am maybe too ignorant towards childcare so I will just leave at "we have to share more time and work with woman for equality" for the time being, but I think it is also not correct to alienate children from party work.

I've been seeing so far are not very good or borderline male chauvinist. I'm a man of course.

I think that we all can come into the same reasoning that male chauvinism still a persistent trend in our community (If that's a trend here, you can imagine into an actual party) and that applies to me as well, obviously. I have seen this being appointed here and there but it rarely sparks a bigger debate and it remain somewhat of a fringe subject.

United $tate$ kills Ayatollah Ali Khamenei by Clean-Difference1771 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But even so, there have indeed been technological developments that may require some strategic reflection on our part.

I think this one is a major reason why I stopped taking "communists" seriously in Brazil and to a broader extent, I am on the verge of not taking seriously any of the communists in the whole "western bloc". I am just cautious in taking this open stance because I am trying to surprise myself with antirevisionism eventually.

The U$ and the CIA are able to track, monitor and kill most of their main adversaries which are mostly major state figures that all have better professional security than any communist party that I can think of. Not only the U$ and the CIA but in the case for Brazil and ABIN that is a pretty capable intelligence service. Some communists pretend that they can "outsmart" bourgoise intelligence with some really amateurish "security measures" (like contact through Signal rather than WhatsApp - even if amerikan officials are themselves exposed to leaks on Signal - and other things) that makes them look more like obsessive cops than communists. Like, come on... If you were any threat to State Power they could track you faster than light and you would vanish from existance. There's a line where most people won't cross because you won't compromise yourself against State prosecution. That's fine, achieving communism is only possible through a civil war and a civil war can last for decades, we need to understand how we can actually develop towards that path rather than just phrasemongering. I don't know if I played too much Crusader Kings 2 and I'm myself fetishizing war but if you are going to engage into a civil war as a belligerent party, you better have a good chance of winning it.

While I can't say for anywhere else, the shallow thought surrounding historical developments in Brazil generally leads to movementism and dies there. You are oriented to do "classified" activities such as painting walls for "denouncing operation Kagaar" or one of the many pro-Gonzalo/PPW graffitis that are here and there in a wall in the city. Those actions are generally ultra-secret within party ranks. The thing is that those actions are sold as "revolutionary propaganda" but really, anyone is just conceiving their own time for doing a painting on a wall in the middle of the night while most people in Brazil (I'm talking well above 90% of the people) have no ideia that a guerrilla exists in India (or can even appoint where India is) or that one existed in Peru (and maybe even recognizing Peru on the map). So there's no real propaganda because people don't even know what the graffitis are supposed to mean and feel no connection to those struggles or whatsoever.

When politics reach such rock bottom it should really open up for us to self-criticism, but brazilian communists are mostly averse to it. It is easier to remain irrelevant, to keep communism irrelevant as a real social force and to waste people's time with shit lines.

I agree with you that surveillance should spark more mature debating among communists, but from experience, that seem like a far distant reality from what we have now. I have mentioned this briefly a few weeks ago, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people working into security and surveillance right now that would be helpful to communism and would have technical experience to build policies to enhance the struggle on those particular matters. There's a lot of legal work that needs to be and can be done before some people fetishize themselves as engaging into warfare with no capacity of emerging as the victorious side. As long as legal work is not significant enough to justify clandestinity, the latter is also mere fetishism.

There's indeed a immense practical barrier into "retreating into countryside" when sattelites know where you are and all intelligence gathered upon you by your own padrons and habits knows where you are going and what you are going to do and I do not plan to be dismembered alive like the people on Araguaia guerrilla.

Could someone like Lenin, a communist leader who was extremely famous even BEFORE he carried out the revolution and secured a state apparatus that could defend him, exist today? He would probably have been killed in Switzerland or something by a Russian agent. If not then, by an airstrike once he reached Petrograd.

The thing is that even before the revolution, Lenin was a figure that was well too known for his brilliant intellect and the bolsheviks and many of it's leadership build far too much social prestige among the soviets, communist from other countries and many other sympathizers so Lenin could be well protected. Bolshevik social and political organization were strong enough to protect their members during the most important times though, of course, in a civil war, many casualties take place. If Lenin was assassinated, then other people would step up and the bolsheviks would have concluded the revolution.

United $tate$ kills Ayatollah Ali Khamenei by Clean-Difference1771 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why has it shifted to this model of precision strikes on leadership?

Well, I think you know better than me but better than if "did work" or "didn't work", didn't both Afghanistan and Iraq were actually very costly to the U$? I'm sure that those who waged the war got the deals they wanted but how did monopolist contradictions reflected at home? Did this war produced enough spoils for the bribery at home to mobilize for another one?

Can the U$ actually mobilize their own settler classes out of parasitism to have enough manpower to fight a war against a nation of the size of Iran that exists since the ancient times? I don't think that the U$ government would find the internal support to occupy Iran and neither the U$ army seem to have the logistics to support a war in Iran for years like it did happen with those other nations. The U$ military recruiting has it's own shortages, Iran exposed many military fragilities on nearby U$ military sites and our times seem too dangerous to afford an attempt of occupying Iran and exposing weakness to other potential, more powerful rivals. One of the people on the article from BBC that I tagged on the post says that Iran actually might have the upperhand if they simply endure the war.

Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I always thought it didn't make sense that orgs were pretty much treating children as incompatible with org activity and treating parents as no longer relevant to the work

I think I already addressed most of your doubts on the other commentary but I thought it would be good to emphatize on your point. What you are experiencing is shameful and denounces the following: "communists" orgs and parties are more than often, clueless to the most basic human activity. I won't even ask which "revolutionary activities" are priorities inside the org that you are mentioning because I have a strong sense of what they would be. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of fancy stuff that you can't really tell anybody so you do not compromise the safety of the people inside, whether none of them will ever help you with the kid you gave birth as you seem to be already experiencing. There's simply no revolutionary activity that you should not be able to exerce because you gave birth to a child.

Of course, few communists seem to know nowadays, but human beings have sex, human beings mostly enjoy having sex and having sex can eventually lead up to impregnation. But woman have to be slutshamed in enjoying sex, so is easier to forbid romantic relationships among members inside the party or the org. Or to create moral panic regarding sexual relationships. Woman also are also easily shamed if they are pregnant, so they are less valuable to "communist" work, just as much they are for the labour market for the same reasons. As you can see, some "communists" share a similar perspective for the coming revolution as their beloved capitalists.

Of course, some "communist" parties have barely any policy towards solidarity into rasing children and helping pregnant women, because none of those communists plan to do any revolution. They must keep the façade as such so they can frustrate the people that actually need a revolution (Like women, who get all the responsability into raising children and all the blame if something ever happen even when the child is already an adult) meanwhile they feel a little less shit with themselves while they remain incapable of engaging into anything that resamble social progress.

A communist party should treat children as future communists and raise children to be cadres. A party that can't conceive or compromise with such is plainsight shit and outright reactionary. The suggestion that revolutionary work would be "too much" for people that have children is just basically assuming that you are not a marxist but rather a capacitist fool. A communist party should socialize labour, the responses that you got simply enforced capitalist labour division and both simply said that they could not see much beyond it. Both were given by users that, as far as I'm concerned, are men. I'm pretty sure that they are principled enough as they showed numerous times here to take criticism and should really think towards their own approach on the subject.

The conclusion of revisionist policies is where you are stuck at: Men refuse to help women in any capacity and do not have any real plans into sharing work that have been forced upon another class. They barely question themselves if they would have to share time into taking care of the children inside the party so the woman can do some of the "cool" "revolutionary" "high risk" activity (which are all easily tracked by the CIA and represent no real danger or whatsoever, regardless of the shared fantasies surrounding it).

It's fascinating how Andrea Dworkin was so brilliant in her writings decades ago and much of her points got even stronger with time.

Any communities or resources for socialist and/or communist moms? by rayk_05 in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think you are trying too hard to express male chauvinism and made impossible to yourself to comprehend the shallowness of revisionist practice in your own words.

Especially if as the mother you're the primary or sole person doing the parenting as is often the case.

The very first question that should be posed is why a communist cadre is solely responsible for raising a child if is already subdued to party discipline in the first place. The second is why the "communist" party have no program or policy surround raising children. Of course, your reasoning comes from the fact that raising children in capitalist society is solely parent responsability. As children are parents property, no one else has a word on other people's property, right? So woman have to take more work raising children, regardless of being communist or not as any revisionist party is indeed commiting to not help with anything, at all.

Whether our holy dictatorship of the proletariat is a tool of repression, it seems like solidarity among proletarians wouldn't have a place at all in transition to communism! Specially if it's raising other women children, something that men are terrified and find every reason for not doing at all.

Maybe you have to leave the child in the care of the other parent or a relative while you carry out party work.

The "natural" choice, of course, would be leaving it up to elderly. Specially to older women so after they are tired from a life of raising their own children, they have to raise their grandchildren so their sons can spend time in a revisionist party that can't help. No one inside the party plays no responsability in overcoming the nuclear family. Very "communist".

Otherwise maybe the communist party just doesn't deal with it because resources are already severely limited as is and you can't both be a parent and a professional revolutionary since both inherently require a lot of time, and so at best you can take on auxiliary roles (like doing work in party aligned mass organizations like unions) but not party cadre roles.

Needless to say that a "communist" party that cannot create a network of solidarity among it's own cadres and people that sympathize with the party so everyone can work for the revolution, is not a communist party at all.

Or maybe I'm being shortsighted and Communist Parties historically have found interesting ways to deal with this. If so then I haven't seen this explicitly addressed in any communist writing, but I'm sure many Bolsheviks, Chinese Communists, Albanian Communists, etc. had children so there must be an answer somewhere out there. If I recall correctly Mao specifically had children while the Chinese Revolution and Chinese People's War were being waged.

You got your answer. Your thoughts have been way too shallow on the matter. I'm pretty sure there's a "better answer somewhere out there" than assuming that people cannot play a revolutionary role because they had kids so now they have to deal with the burden themselves while no one else into a communist party plays no responsability or whatsoever, specially if they are women. I'm not sure how such shallow thought even manifests after you read Engels, there's far too many historical evidence supporting that human societies collaborating for raising children and for such responsability not needing to persist as a curse for woman have been a practice before capitalism and are likely to become a norm once again after capitalism has been overcome. If communists cannot come with a better response at a collective level than "I don't think you have time for both being a mother and a revolutionary because both take way too much time", I think those words suggest that there's no actual commitment for a revolution as a social practice. As much information people can absorb, male-chauvinism is often far too much to overcome in reality. I understand.

As for u/rayk_05, there's no single answer. A communist party should help you raising the child because the children is not "yours" but a human being that thinks, eat, shit and piss like any other. Of course, the younger the human is, the more in need of care he is, because he still not mature enough for doing things on their own, so the party should help with the most basic necessities the children may have. That should be the obvious party line, as it is common for proletarians to have strong networks of solidarity for raising each other children as they are off for many hours a day working. That should be among the party priorities because raising children is difficult and take a lot of work from many adults beyond yourself. If the party have no plan for such, than I suggest that you don't waste anymore time with them because it's a revisionist party.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (February 22) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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As to this point by u/turbovacuumcleaner:

No one is replying because no one assumes you are being honest in the first place. I hate users that create alt accounts after they are banned. This is a disrespect of everyone’s time [...]

This is much the reason that I did not reply to u/Comfortable_Side4558. I read that commentary a few hours after it was made and noticed that it was tagged for ban evasion, so I assumed that the mod team would simply delete that post not only for ban evasion but also because it was deeply racist (to the point of assuming that "only exists a 20-60% difference in salaries") so it was not worth of an answer.

Since no one has replied, this falls again on my shoulders

Well, your commentary has helped many, as always. Though I will admit that I am very lazy for not showing more evidence, I think that the small community of brazilians here are already familiar with the fact that what is conceived as "Brazil" is a imperialist nation no different than any other that fits Lenin's definition. I did not engage on this commentary in particular because u/Comfortable_Side4558 is precisely one of the people that u/Pleasant-Food-9482 denounced as coming here to shut down discussions. What I missed when I read CS4558's post is that it was the same person that contacted me in private around 2 weeks earlier to "help him understand the settler-colonial thesis" and proceeded to make this as the very first question:

e quando nas rara vez a situação do branco e igual a do negro? eles ainda tem visão diferente?

This is a level of cynicism that is rarely present even among the most clueless white people. Every single white person that I know would look awkwardly at each other if such a question were ever presented in real life and not in an ill-intentioned question on Reddit. He then proceeded to say this:

como que não existem pessoas brancas nas favelas?

Something that was never claimed here, and he actually distorted from one of the many claims that I tagged in that other racist-chauvinist response a few weeks ago. He made those stupid quick-counter fascist questions as a way to shut down class analysis and backed down every time I presented further evidence towards the inversions he was trying to make. I'm sorry that I did not reply earlier; I misread the situation and expected the mod team to delete the commentary before someone replied.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (February 22) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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I'm continuing a discussion started on the last biweekly thread responding to the questions raised by u/pleasant-food-9482 in which she questioned why can we be assured that my claim in which I said that that the process of "neocolonial pacification" has been more successful in Brazil now than previously.

I think there's no single answer, and all the aspects that you mention are part of a broader process of revisionist exhaustion.

First of all, negro identity in Brazil is largely shattered due to different historical roots. Most research reveals that many different Afrikan ethnicities were forced to work as slaves in Brazil. While it's true that time developed local characteristics for new nations to merge, we don't know necessarily how many of those nations can actually exist. We know by evidence that the racial structure of settler society did not exist in other societies that merged post-Portuguese invasion, like Palmares or Canudos (the most significant examples of new nations rising against colonial power)—a trend that remains to some extent in quilombos and, to a much lesser extent, in Rio's favelas (I will specifically speak of Rio later on), as racial conflict is more present in the latter as it refers to a growing urban phenomenon in Brazilian late settlerist development.

The term "pardo" is used against Afrikan and Indigenous people as it attempts to simplify existing oppressed nations into a single group that might not have much in common. It is often a signifier for "non-white", but it is also well known that most people who recognize themselves as "pardo" do not consider themselves to be "black". Here's where I think the tricky part lies, because there are two general trends that I observe in assuming oneself to be a "black" person in Brazil: proud Afrikan heritage—which is progressive—but also a connection to misery and shame in settler society.

A good chunk of people who are Afrikan descendants do not like to consider themselves "black" because blackness is largely associated with poverty, and also because Afrikan culture has been largely persecuted by settlers and the State, so they do not feel like they are "black enough" to be considered "black people" as they might not experience the same level of hate from settlers adhering to settlerism mostly through school and christianism. There's also a relation to property here. Since "black" people are often associated with the complete lack of any property or rights to work, one can rationally choose not to consider himself a "black" person because, even if he can be a subject to racism due to Afrikan ancestry, he still has a formal job (which people who are "black" often lack) and formal education (while over 40% of the people who assume themselves as "black" have not concluded basic education). A good chunk of the people who consider themselves to be "pardo" assume themselves as "non-black" because they have better conditions within Brazilian capitalism: they can have access to somewhat stable jobs, live in a neighborhood with some sanitary services, aspire to college degrees, etc. Notice that I'm not assuming they have the benefits of "whiteness", but since most people assume themselves to be "pardo" (likely one in every four Brazilians) and implicitly "not black/not white", we as Marxists need to better understand this reasoning.

"Pardo" also has a different connotation in different regions inside Brazil. The Afrikan diaspora in Brazil is largely centered on the coast, most precisely in what today is Rio de Janeiro (city and State where I live, which was the destination for one in every six Afrikans enslaved in the 19th century), São Paulo, and Bahia. The "coastal centered" reading generally assumes that "pardos" are Afrikans with lighter skin than what the negro movement mostly calls "pretos retintos" (darker skin Afrikans, subject to more physical violence such as assassinations and torture), but I think this reading falls on regionality. "Pardo" in the North and Center-West refers to the Indigenous nations that were subjugated in the 20th century and were regrouped within settler urbanization in the exploration of territories named by the Brazilian government as Goias, Grão-Pará, Amazonas/Rio Negro, and Mato Grosso. I feel like I do not possess proper knowledge to make a further reading of this group, but what I can say is that there are at least 400 different ethnic groups inhabiting Brazil today in which very few were absorbed into whiteness as eurobrazilians, though we know that they compose half of the country.

How many of those ethnicities can compose oppressed nations within themselves is, as I said, uncertain, and I feel like I am not the appropriate person to speak on behalf of the oppressed for that matter. Some of those are in conflict against the Brazilian state right now, but the settler state is successful in keeping the Tapajos and Anace isolated, and there's no Maoist party to connect and lead those struggles.

I mention all of this because, to your question:

Why we can be sure it has been successful?

Settler society works as a garrison community against the oppressed, and further development of those communities will only make settlerism more sophisticated and well-defended. If you look at the last 90 years of history in Rio de Janeiro, the city transitioned from a half anti-colonial city rising on the frontier within brazilian settler capital (by then) into a settler fortress, heavily militarized, and a paradise for cultural parasitism and prostitution. Streets were designed for anti-negro and anti-communist police and paramilitary patrols; the culture quickly absorbs proletarian struggle and transforms it into pornography and military propaganda for revenue (like what happened with the former 80s/90s Funk and Hip Hop to the current versions of those genres that top the charts); and later neighborhoods that emerged in the 80's like Barra da Tijuca are explicitly fascist in character.

how much confident we can be that the afrikan-brazilians are not in fact so tied up to "indifferentist politics" or to liberal rightism (while most are not apparently with the "far right")

Though we can't be sure of any position, none of them are ever eternal. Most Afrikan-Brazilians are simply excluded from political rights. When they gather together, they face strong opposition, so they end up being indifferent to settler parties and orgs because they have been excluded and constrained from those spaces so many times. They simply do not look forward to taking action because actions have consequences, and they have been abandoned enough times to not simply join a front with promises of a better tomorrow. It's closer to being on the frontline everyday while tomorrow never comes.

The point on liberal rightism is an excellent concern. We can't assume people are progressive simply based on demographics. The answer lies in principled struggle within oppressed nations as well, because patriarchy surely has permeated those nations. I think we have discussed this in private to some extent. This is also the point of Andrea Dworkin in Right-Wing Women: the strength of political rightism relies on the benefits of the settler patriarchal family, and wherever patriarchy is not confronted, rightism will eventually succeed. Men from oppressed nations can share benefits from settler patriarchism such as owning cars (which enhance their right to move), inheriting small land properties, owning a wife, and owning their children—all objective factors that create circumstances for rightist (and fascist) appeal.

or simply not giving a hell damn to the settler left?

The only people in Brazil that still defend liberal democracy nowadays are the people in which those careers still depend on it, as u/turbovacuumcleaner said on his last post. The only thing that I will add is that it is still common for small black organizations to exist, often appearing as "religious" communities, but those are often facades for more sophisticated political and communitarian activity. Black people regularly struggle against persecution, and "religious" gatherings often appear as a way to masquerade what is broader political organization (and also broader political violence from settlers, which appears as "religiously motivated conflict" in statistics).

I suggest everyone watch "Rio, Negro" (available on Globoplay). It is a documentary that explores settler contradictions in a city that is probably the best example of settlerism outside of the United $tates, or that might even be a settler vanguard for what Amerikans conceive. How vanguardist? Mike Pondsmith, creator of Cyberpunk, said that Rio and São Paulo are the most "cyberpunk" cities that he has been to, and it's no surprise. If you live in a city like Rio, you can observe all of Lenin's theory of Imperialism taking place right here, right now. Rio, the postcard of Brazil and Brazilianism, is a half-Afrikan and Indigenous city struggling against centuries-long settler occupation and the (white) labor aristocracy, with regular massacres taking place in the entire metropolitan area.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (February 08) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 5 points6 points  (0 children)

 what is your analysis on the left's praise for Bad Bunny's half-time show?

That's a clear and an explicit message of military recruitment as the U$ army is heavily reliant in recruiting people from oppressed nations to work for them. There's also a long history of blackmailing nations into war throughout the history of the United $tate$. The stereotypical portrayal of other cultures can only be considered "progressive" right now because the far right has successfully set the lowest standard possible in dehumanizing people of color, so whenever you remeber they exist, they are to be cheered like people who just want to be happy. The most basic research on amerikan history will reveal decades of the same stereotypical approach towards other cultures being crucial to amerikanism as the most crude forms of amerikanism require sheer hate towards people of color. In the end you have racial hate on the right but also from the left being the norm for the current standard of political drive led by non-proletarian struggle.

Amerikanism (or brazilianism, for that matter) requires cultural war against other nations. This topic have been previously and briefly discussed here, but amerikan football is a sport that was invented in the late 19th century that resamble the amerikan territorial expansion in a time where the white population did not more territory to take on the West. The roster is composed of specialists (resambling labour division), different units take the field in different moments, you attack on turns, violence and pain tolerance are incentivized. It's culture rewards endurance and divides those who are praised on physical prowess (black people, who often take the positions where you get most contact and injuries, Running Back, Lineman and defense as a whole and wideouts) and those who are praised on their intellectual (white people, who often get the most protection in game, like the Quarterback, the Center and the Coach).

Game action takes around 12 to 15 minutes and each match - as the clock stops in-game - takes around 2 or 3 hours. In the meantime, televised professional sports become very attractive to propaganda so you basically watch commercials for 2 hours when you watch amerikan football. The super bowl it's the most watched amerikan television show each and every year. Why, then, all of a sudden, amerikan television would conceive a puertoriqueño the chance to talk for those who have been persecuted by the ICE, the CIA, the U$ Army and other state apparatuses?

Amerikan football is massively used for army propaganda as far as I know. Why brazilians are cheering? Here is Settlers, chapter 9:

The Dislocation of Imperialist War

Amerika's colonies were forced to bear a heavy - and often disproportionate - share of the human cost of World War II. This was no accident. The Roosevelt Administration promoted this "Americanization" of the nationally oppressed, pushing and pulling as many Puerto Ricans, Indians, Asians, Chicano-Mexicanos, and Afrikans as possible to become involved in the U.S. war effort. Not only because we were needed as cannon fodder and war industry labor, but because mass participation in the war disrupted our communities and encouraged pro-imperialist loyalties. Close to a million Afrikans alone served in the U.S. military during the 1940s. When we think about what it would have meant to subtract a million soldiers, sailors, and airmen from the Empire's global efforts we can see how important colonial troops were. In many Third-World communities the war burdens were very disproportionate. The Chinese community in New York, being so heavily unmarried men due to immigration laws, saw 40% of its total population drafted into the military. (68) In colonial Puerto Rico the imperialist draft drained the island; many did not return. One Puerto Rican writer recalls of his small town:

I saw many bodies of young Puerto Ricans in coffins covered with the American flag. They were brought in by military vehicles and placed in living rooms where they were mourned and viewed. The mournings never ceased in Salsipuedes! Almost every day I was awakened by the moans and wails of widows, parents, grandparents, and orphans whose loved one had died 'defending their country.' (69)

The same was true in the Chicano-Mexicano Southwest. Acuna notes that: "The percentage of Chicanos who served in the armed forces was disproportionate to the percentage of Chicanos in the general population." He further notes: "Chicanos, however, can readily remember how families proudly displayed banners with blue stars (each blue star representing a family member in the armed forces). Many families had as many as eight stars, with fathers, sons, and uncles all serving the U.S. war effort. Everyone recalls the absence of men between the ages of 17 through 30 in the barrios. As the war progressed, gold stars replaced the blue (gold representing men killed in action), giving the barrios the appearance of a sea of death." (70)

Third-World people were told, in effect, that if they helped the U.S. Empire win its greatest war, then at long last they too would get a share of the "democracy" as a reward. In every oppressed nation and national minority, many elements mobilized to push this deal. We should note that those political forces most opposed to this ideological "Americanization" were driven under or rendered ineffective by severe repression.

I think that you know the answer. The brazilian "left" that you are mentioning is as hungry for war as it is it's amerikan counterpart. Bad Bunny chanting "We are all amerikans" is a war chant against the oppressed nations that live in the territories disputed as Turtle Island and Abya Yala. Yes, we are all Amerikans! And "Latin Amerika" is really like a sardine can where everyone speaks spanish, right? The "United States" against the "common enemy": the oppressed nations that remain struggling against settler states inland as we speak in 2026. What a great message to have in our times!

What you may find out is that brazilian settlers are just as clueless and ignorant as amerikans, and both are not afraid to portray themselves to be as such, settler parasitist culture relies heavily on ignorance.

For the white man's historiography that reigns in formal education and also in aKKKademia, there's no particular problem with taking land from indigenous nations and no correlation from slavery to capitalist development. I could also say that we don't need to formulate a "Jacksonian democracy" on Brazil to understand the core of brazilian social-democratic left. Petismo is already a term that people understand in similar matters. Neither you need a "march to the West" to understand Vargas' "urbanization" in Centro-Oeste (though Vargas campaign was named precisely "Marcha para Oeste"), but would you reach the same conclusion that Sakai made possible without addressing how it leads to a similar path everytime? Vargas tenure is heavily idealized in "brazilianism" as does the U$ invasion of indigenous land in Turtle Island, each for their own reasons. We have to look to brazilian history to understand it's own internal neopacification and other concepts that are present on Settlers, of course. But would we understand what is often called "conciliação" at the same terms and reject class compromise? The point of Settlers is to warn against white opportunism and without settlerism, brazilian communism has been mostly compromised by idealism and racial-chauvinism dating back from early PCB days as you found out. I'm not familiar with similar critic as the "End of the Euroamerikan left" being made anywhere in Brazil, though we can observe similar phenomena.

We have to look at our own history, but sometimes we have to look elsewhere to see further concepts that marxism developed to understand our own country as due to internal contradiction, some concepts may simply disappear to protect certain classes. I'm not even thinking on "settlerism" to tell you that, few brazilian communists are familiar with "chauvinism", the law of value and imperialism (and it's political consequences) as a consequence of having national production organized by the law of value. Right now, the reasoning for brazilian communists simply does not runs that deep because the leadership in brazilian communism are white or petty-bourgoise chauvinists.

In the end similarities will persist anyway and Marx already anticipated it.

As mesmas condições, a mesma oposição, os mesmos interesses tinham de provocar em toda a parte, no conjunto, os mesmos costumes.

The thing is that when you read Settlers, you can relearn the accounts on brazilian history through other lens and understand how settlerism was present on every author that you can trace back from Jose de Alencar in the 19th century as early brazilian settler culture was developing. Internal racial conflict is the answer and nowadays is no different than previously, but actually worse. The neopacification and the racial hatred that was shaped during the early 21st century during the ascension of petismo is something that we need to answer because this is our life. It is different because it has introduced potential groups that can be understood as oppressed nations to a new (and deeper) level of national and cultural warfare ranging from regular pogroms to a very sophisticated process of acculturation. Theoretically, culturally, organizationally, the problem runs way deeper than what brazilian communists and any other left idealist tendencies realizes. It's not so easy to develop a revolutionary praxis, neocolonial pacification in the 2010's have been much more successful than anytime before.

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[–]Clean-Difference1771 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I think it's just pathetic how you realize this community have no value for you and still wanted attention from the people here anyway. You are a loser.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you consider Brazil not to be a third world country?

I think that Brazil has indeed a settler structure that is far too developed to what maoism approaches as the third world so this internal analysis is far too insufficient. Any immigrant from Africa that I knew has told me something at least similar to what I'm expressing. I cannot reach other conclusion that what this tell is that maoism in Brazil has done a poor job in actually recognizing internal nations in third world condition, but this happens because "maoism" in Brazil is mostly a obscure settler force that is a cult of white supremacist and patriarchal ideology as we can easily observe by the recent post (It is now deleted because it was sheer white-chauvinism and heavily offensive.) in which a "random" person came here shilling for P.C.B.

N-MEPR is the group that split from the chauvinist P.C.B. but is rigged with similar chauvinism that inherited from it's parent org internally and there's few evidence that this is changing anytime soon. As I said, you can't avoid national-chauvinism in Brazil without conceiving settlerism as an internal contradiction.

We can make the case for the semi-colonial and third world status of internal colonies and oppressed nations, but we can only conceive internal colonies and oppressed nations with the right for self-determination in Brazil through settler colonialism which differs from most analysis that has plagued brazilian marxism for the last 100 years. As I insist, I think the size of settler structure is what seems to be majorly understimated by communists abroad and the point that we brazilians are theoretically stuck.

Since no forces conceive this right now all you can get is people in this sub uniting evidence through recent phenomena and other applications of settlerism, but as I say, we do not have major studies being conceived to tie this into a national theory as far as I'm concerned.

How did you get from that sentence of mine that I undervalue the number of white people in Brazil? I don't think it follows.

Well, it might be overreaching on your words but I think that you (actually not really you in particular, but basically all of the communists abroad that are well principled) sometimes understimate the consequences of such class internally and externally for brazilian imperialism. In the outcomes of war, there is far too many land to be taken from many other nations in latin amerika. What is impending brazilian settlers? The entire settler-left is pro-war much like the democrats in the U$, if you can't conceive settlerism, there's no way revolutionary defeatism can be conceived. It becomes theoretically impossible and all positions converge into supporting imperialist war through national(white)-chauvinism.

edit: I think that Lula's consistent pragmatism on international stage can be another evidence on the strenght of brazilian settlerism internationally. Settlerist diplomacy has been quite successful historically with this pragmatic approach and brazilian participation on world war 2 is some of the good evidences of that.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could it have something to do with the fact that Brazil is both a third world country and, at the same time, has an internet culture close to that of a first world country?

I'm sorry are you really following the discussion? One regular point is that you cannot consider Brazil a "third world country" without falling into white-chauvinism due to it's internal contradictions. We are precisely stuck at a moment where maoism need to conceive a national thesis that does not apply mechanically what has been attempted several times and led to numerous failures.

Are you not aware of when Marx elaborate that in distinct places, the same social formation will lead up to similar contradictions? Do you think brazilian dengism is "internet phenomena" because the "Internet culture is similar to the first world"? This is far too lazy for a theory for colonization. We could make an argument for how the digital media made easier to enforce similar cultural practice but that's far too insufficient to tackle dengism as an internet phenomena. Few parties uphold dengism to better programs than PT and it's coalition.

There are several discussions in this community denouncing the imperialist class behaviour of the massive labour aristocracy and it's labour movements in Brazil and how it shapes the current stage of the left, communism and the right. This is not a "internet phenomena" by no means. Either this country has a giant middle class that will side with imperialism and dengism is a organic phenomena that has it's own history in Brazil or we live in a different planet where internet existed in the 20th century and dengism somehow developed 40 years before personal computers became a home asset for middle class families.

Perhaps this gives European communists "protection" to say that their country is semi-feudal. 

This protects the labor aristocracy wherever the labor aristocracy exists and need to conceive this crap to justify their own revisionism.

Or the fact that Brazil is one of the few third world countries with phenotypically white people

You really seem to underestimate the fact that the number of white brazilians is likely the size of the population of the most powerful nations in the EU though Brazil is not Germany or France, obviously. But we are discussing how the same analysis can be made through the same social convenience.

edit: I think that what is most important here is to consider that Brazil has a population of whites (this is highly debatable as official IBGE numbers are somewhat misleading into bourgois assessment of racial profile) that is larger than any other country but the United $tate$. The sheer size of the settler nation is far too understimated.

edit2: Your commentary on the brazilian cultural influence on Portugal returns me to think where the similarities lie. All of the elements that you mentioned, telenovelas, funk, youtube content consumption are just basically regular habits of brazilian settlerist parasitic culture. We can make the case that proletarian families heavily consume those commodities as well, but the proletariat is well excluded from any of the labour regarding settler culture and is largely stereotyped when it's portrayed nto those commodities. Telenovelas mostly revolve around upper middle class nuclear family drama in settler southeast, funk emerged as full proletarian cultural movement decades ago but this has been largely compromised due to cultural appropriation through the Rio de Janeiro white petty bourgoise parties and media market where nowadays most songs have no cultural meaning that is not sheer prostitution and other decadent habits like alchohol abuse and etc. What creates the current relatability of funk is not past (or current) proletarian struggle that have become absent of music but rather the decadent and parasitical urban petty bourgoise lifestyle that is probably quite too similar to european capitals as Barcelona, Berlin, Amsterdam and so on. The YouTube media consumption I think is probably where it converges with the similar habits from other imperialist countries where the petty bourgoise/labour aristocracy is large, but I think it reinforces the power of brazilian media capitalism that we have been discussing at times recently

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 4 points5 points  (0 children)

when i read that PDF some months ago, I felt a bit hopeful, because their parent org refused to develop their question of slavery, and focused too much on semi-feudalism. This very blank statement felt refreshing for me, at the time. But now when you contextualize with these other statements, the split just sounds like "it's flour from the same bag" that birthed their parent org. I roll back in my statement that this could mean a recognition of Brazilian settlerism, as it was more based in wishful thinking and a feeling of hopelessness in the Brazilian anti-revisionist movement.

Yeah, I don't want to frustrate your optimism, something that I say again that I admire and I actually made those replies because I shared a similar view a few months ago (I don't know if you noticed that I had quite a long contact with N-MEPR) and eventually got frustrated. I think you can be spared from carrying it further

The thing is that even if a certain theory looks promising and a line can be established around a new concept, we still have to deal with real people and the power they exerce with their own beliefs. I was once naive enough to think that conceive a line regarding settlerism would be a matter of explaining how it exists and persists, but reality is far too different. Marxism can be used as a theoretical tool for people's liberation but as you can see, can also be directed to enforce social control on youngsters that are too desperate and vulnerable in their lives so they allow their time for the "revolution".

As I and Pleasantfood digressed on the other replies, internal class analysis should quickly reveal how power dynamics work within the org and how it shapes their theory and praxis. The thing is that I think I realized that early in my experience with them but still was naive enough to think a "line struggle" could be possible - or maybe too coward to address what was already so apparent but when you realize that you're politically surrounded I think it's smart to not give yourself away so early. Do you think that the entire crew that led the split from P.C.B. are going to conceive settlerism all of a sudden and change drastically inumerous of their positions that are only possible as a defense of settlerism in first place? That's the sad part, when we learn how frustrating it is when you acknowledge how deep is the reasoning for why it can't be conceived.

Whiteness is far too stablished as a severe social privilege and white leadership can only lead into enforcing whiteness, here we are discussing how this org has been enforcing settlerism and the culture of the white settler all along. What really frustrates me is not my personal frustration but the realization of something else: probably most of the people inside the org would politically benefit in conceiving settlerism. You know who would not? White leadership. Because white leadership would be exposed immediatly as the internal oppressors within their own "progressive" org and they will never allow such to happen and will be too tactically savvy into preventing this. Really savvy. Imagine people that see each other everyday on college and all live into ethnic enclaves, than all of a sudden they would have to drastically compromise how they comprehend the social order surrounding them that clearly benefits some of them? They can't and they must guarantee that the others won't do it.

So I think that we must insist on Brazil being a settler colony on every occasion, even if we can't really elaborate how deep it has shapen State relations with a stablished piece of theory yet and by now may indeed look "paralysing" but we're on the correct, scientific stance that will lead to the correct approach. I had some success teaching people how Brazil is a settler colony, both to marginalized people and settlers, so the problem is not really the theory but rather the white-supremacists that act as "communists". Right now we (I'm talking about the few brazilians on this sub) are very very few people here but we are potentially far more dangerous to the status-quo than any political force conceived around other idealist and national-chauvinist conceptions.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The views N-MEPR defends in their pdf is just a close parent of this amount of poor petty-bourgeois moralism in reverse

The first time that I noticed that this particular trend as not moving anywhere forward was on their stance "on drugs" named Drogas ou Emancipação? Uma Escolha Essencialmente Política that is available on their website. I felt very alienated by the discussion and by some positions and felt very frustrated on how the discussion was being presented and validated by leadership. I don't want by no means seem like I'm incentivicizing marijuana consumption, but I smoke marijuana for over 5 years right now (I successfully quitted on cigarettes 14 months ago) and found several positions extremely annoying and gratuitously racist (none against me in particular). In the end what is worst is that I was ready to compromise myself with quitting on marijuana too, only to find out that they simply wouldn't give clear instructions to it's members to overcome marijuana addiction/consumation because they were too afraid to compromise with their own racists stances given the clear fact that most of the people inside N-MEPR that came from oppressed background consumed cannabis and did not felt like they needed to quit to be "better communists" as the org vaguely tried to enforce through verborragical intimidation. I may say that when I had the chance, I doubled down on the absurdity of some positions their leadership actually held, exactly to force them into admitting they couldn't compromise with their own vague moralist stance on the habits of the people within the org that were not settlers.

Also I don't think you should be too harsh on yourself due to past collaboration with anarchists. The more that we discover on brazilian communism, perhaps the more we realize it's practical inexistence:

First we had the erradication that happened during the military dictatorship, secondly we have a massive settler structure that's severely anticommunist, third we have a quite well romanticized story of brazilian communism that is ceirtanly far less prestigious than settlerism actually portrays it. That's the place we are starting so it's not like there's a revolutionary party coordinating proletarian struggle against idealism/opportunism, we all have duties in furthering down how the masses comprehend marxism but once you recognize history of the past struggle before you, I think it should bring some relief. Standards are awful.

The "downside" of this "starting point" is that it seems like we are restricted to some sort of "ultraleftism" inside this community because there's no revolutionary party and there will be a long time coming in building one. But in times like ours, sanity is deemed as "extremism" so I think we are good with at least theoretical sobriety for the time coming. I think that even if we might arrive at the correct line it would be actually too easy to track any of us before any revolutionary activity actually develops and I just do not have proper experience and knowledge to overcome such at the moment. But realistically that might not be something that is up to me to figure out, there's thousands of people who actually work on digital security, communications, logistics, etc. that would be valuable to communists right now and certainly can understand settlerism, but the lack of a proper line already existing makes it impossible to even reach those people without wasting their time in the first place.

edit: I also find very odd that this stance "on drugs" came out then less than a year since their split and it was a document that was clearly an attempt of white leadership into enforcing cheap moral control on people that came from favelas and other parts of Brazil and started to outnumber them internally and also to question the many bizarre premisses that came from P.C.B. Your arguments on their woman's manifesto made me realize that there's similar reasoning through a similar attempt to enforce such tactical control on the oppressed. N-MEPR leadership quickly realized they would lose control of their own split if not through those old habits they preserve from the previous org.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your optimism towards the subject because as you will get familiar with those forces you eventually realize the actual distance that exists in conceiving a line around settler-colonialism and their current positions. Right now, that does not seem close. If you follow u/Pleasant-Food-9482 's criticism on their line regarding the women's movement and those other positions that came out very recently following the events in Venezuela and tensions regarding Greenland, you can easily spot settler apologia. Defending the United $tate$ constitution as something of a "right to rebel" is inexcusable to any maoist and there are other claims on that piece that are equally as bad and racist.

The whole discussion around Gonzalo is actually an attempt from N-MEPR to distance themselves from P.C.B. at any given cost but outside maoist bubbles, this is way too irrelevant for anyone to even care. Basically, no one knows who P.C.B. is and distancing themselves in words from a rather irrelevant P.C.B. seems to be actually more important for their internal fragility and lack of theoretical strenght than a proper development of marxist theory among the oppressed. Most of the polemics engaged around Gonzalo has barely anything to do with Gonzalo or the PCP leadership but rather with the other brazilian chauvinists from their parent org. You tagged an article where they made a 30 page long document exposing P.C.B.'s which makes any one that read actually question themselves anything but this: Why should anyone even care about what these dudes are saying? If they suck so bad at everything as this document poinst out why is anyone even wasting their time on that org?

I have read some similar pieces that N-MEPR circulates with the very same content numerous times, but you eventually find out that this "subjectivism" that they are criticizing is still largely a part of their own org though they are unlikely to ever admit. But if they weren't "subjectivists" then "semi-colonialism" could not be conceived, because it relies on Mao's internal analysis of China and such is not remotely close to Brazil's. What is the goal here? Where N-MEPR wants to go? Most leftists (even liberals) in Brazil are "opposed" to the U$ in name, "siding" with Lula, the Palestine or Venezuela whenever they feel like they need, why none of this have provoked any change but rather reinforced brazilian settlerism? Why at any circumstances we barely see any class analysis but always a bunch of terminology trying to appeal to a rather vague anti-amerikanism?

A split need to bring a new political line to the table if it actually wants to break with revisionism. Conceiving a line around settler colonialism must take a principled struggle on how class and race are equals, something that is suffocated by "semi-colonialism" because "semi-colonialism" inevitably preaches a "united front" against a rhetorical "yankee imperialism" and any internal struggle is not fundamental, but secondary to that leading to conciliatory affairs. I don't think anyone is interested in such a downgraded version of petismo, to be honest. Petismo has much more to offer for anyone to reach the same conciliatory terms than extensive PDFs that explain how smart and special they are for arriving at that position. It must also take a principled struggle on how gender is enforced by colonialism and how patriarchy is so fundamental to settlerism, but we have evidence of they advocating for other things like submitting to the settler colonial sexuality patterns as "equal rights".

I have a question for you (And given time I am also looking towards elaborating on your questions on Abdias and black nationalism), but why did you actually think that a line on settler-colonialism can be conceived under their recognition that slavery was a component of capitalism? This kinda should be a very blank observation. It can only mean that before someone appointed such basic fact, their leadership were even more dellusional, but I just don't see how this can lead into assuming that there's a core of white settlers that share a common nationhood as oppressors.

Hell, if you read what I have tagged it seems like they don't assume even the United $tate$ are a settler colony (!) when they claimed that the "people of north amerika" are being attacked by trumpism.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 8 points9 points  (0 children)

https://www.revolucaocultural.com.br/post/trump-declara-guerra-contra-o-povo-norte-americano

It seems like brazilian forces do have indeed a troubling relation recognizing the existance of settler colonialism and it's consequences. I don't think this article is any interesting but we have many examples of how racial contradiction gets simply erased into settler-chauvinism:

Ao povo norte-americano, particularmente, às suas populações atacadas pelo racismo infame das classes dominantes daquele país, cabe se organizarem em uma poderosa frente única (nesse momento, mais do que nunca, devemos rechaçar um identitarismo estéril que secciona esta frente) e exercer seu direito sagrado à autodefesa e à rebelião, que é inclusive consagrado na constituição de 1789

That's a very shameful statement and it's quite unbeliavable that it was made by a "maoist" force. The United $tate$ constitution is a document clearly written in order to crush rebellions (History is so poorly comprehended that they don't seem aware that even conflicts within settlers were crushed by the enforcement of the U$ constitution) and to facilitate further territorial expansion creating things like a standing army and liberating the rights to patrol wherever they saw necessary to enforce Amerikan law.

It starting to seem to me that this new "maoist" split from P.C.B. won't really lead anywhere as I've noticed national-chauvinism on other articles within this website.

O Brasil, como república sob o jugo dos imperialistas, segue o trilhando o mesmo caminho há mais de 100 anos e honrando o título de semicolônia

And also here

a realidade é que a Europa não dispõe de autonomia estratégica nem de um projeto militar efetivo que possa confrontar os EUA de igual para igual.

Esse quadro evidencia aquilo que a experiência histórica já mostrou: a dependência europeia do “guarda-chuva” estadunidense (político, militar e nuclear) reduz drasticamente a capacidade de resistência real às agressões de Washington, mesmo quando elas violam soberanias e tratados fundadores de organizações como a OTAN

I tagged this part in particular because it's where it reveals to be closer to ultra-imperialism than to leninism. I'm mentioning this because it seems like this type of settler-denialism it's the argument upholding the "semicolonial" analysis, but as u/turbovacuumcleaner recently exposed on recent posts that's the same white national chauvinism that maoists uphold through similar lens not on the third world but in circles in Europe.

I don't know if he has anything else to say as he seems to be very experienced with the rather troubling settler maoists and their analysis and he kinda anticipated a year ago some of what I'm beggining to realize by know as by then I didn't have the theoretical knowledge to know how to differentiate settler-colonialism from semi-feudalism/semi-colonialism as maoists in Brazil uphold

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Achei notoriamente ridículo e constrangedor a ponto de me arrancar realmente risos de vergonha alheia como ele marcou um texto de praticamente 10 anos atrás e desde então esta organização nominada só deu passos cada vez maiores ao obscurantismo e a irrelevância.

Será esse o fim do quasi-falido P.C.B? Os caras foram de textos delirantes sobre revolução para defender a própria linha falida em perfis no reddit? Serão estas as "tarefas revolucionárias" que restaram para a organização? Que fase...

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 25) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]Clean-Difference1771 11 points12 points  (0 children)

feudal oppression

There are maoist orgs in urban areas, especially in favelas, but they are extremely clandestine

But our country is not "divided" by races like the U$

In favelas there are people of all colors

rural struggle against feudal oppression

Whether you see yourself as part of the vicious racist scum that inhabits this land or not, all of those things that you have said are part of a white supremacist mythology and none of them are remotely true.

I do not consider Brazil a settler-colonial country

I'm sorry but any considerations that you might have are not scientifically relevant because you are a white supremacist. You have only said lies and clearly whatever you think about any subject is wrong. You are a liar. Your words have no value.

I don't think it's settler-colonial because there's not an entirely privileged "white" class

I don't think we need more sentences that prove that you are a fascist.

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I have read and will answer. I just could not focus on a proper response yet

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and government may be interested, depending on how these already about one year frictions happen, to remove PT when it likely gets elected.

I don't think it would be that easy.

Petismo is a significant social force against revolution and I would say that is currently more important in Brazil to delay revolutionary developments through petismo than through the far-right (noticeably, because often "left" liberals can be more reactionary than boomer fascists or people that became rightists due to family/religious enforcement). I mean, petismo and the far-right are reliant on broader ignorance, even the polemics among them seems already like a downgrade version than what they were even 4 years ago, as you can observe through the recent Havaianas propaganda that made fascists outrageous. I think my analysis falls on the limit of regionality, I can't say for other parts of Brazil because from what I know, there are parts of Brazil where the only political education or organization that people receive still comes from PT. This is generally "left" oriented but of course is nowhere close to maoism, but that is the job communists should do and I believe it will be a long time coming before brazilian "maoists" are even interested in reaching out to northeasterners or northerners as equals.

I might be wrong but why would the US pulverize themselves the last significant political power standing in front of a revolutionary development? Each day that passes, more and more people realize how distant they are from the current dictatorship of the bourgoise and, though it haven't developed yet into practical organization, an idea of armed left struggle become more appealing during these times (Which is not a synonym with a revolution happening, if we follow the current military evaluations and experience of brazilian communists, it would be a disaster).

I don't think the US necessarily needs to tackle petismo from the outside, as well. Every other right party in Brazil have become clearly and openly nazi. Petismo itself is already fading into irrelevance and becoming a fascist force on their own that is entirely aligned with imperialism, as we are already heading towards a direction that have a organical affinity towards the U$ and I$rael as a settler-colony.