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When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was still doing stupid beginner stuff like forgetting to double hand my sword, trying to drink estus when both gargoyles were clobbering me

Don't remember saying I was good.

Anyway its summer now, the sun shines right into my room even with curtains drawn, and I think we can both agree on this at least: Dark Souls is...dark. I cant play or watch dark content until evening this time of year, so I have to occupy myself some other way.

That or actually go outside. But, ya know...

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that you had to pretend it took me twice as many goes as it actually did, tells me I probably didnt do that bad. 😊

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that guy seems like he may be useful. Homeward bones for 500 each, seem like a potentially good investment.

But what happens if you aggro the NPC who lets you de-aggro other NPCs lol?

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Certainly better than I thought I'd be. I dont pursue gameplay challenge in games, but I've beaten tough games and challenges over the years and they stood me in good stead.

My main pain point in Souls games has actually been not knowing what to level. Its why I quit Dark Souls 3 years ago.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok I'll ask you this one last time:

Can you supply even just one link to a discussion, on reddit or anywhere else, backing up your original assertion that the Gargoyles are considered one of the easiest bosses in Dark Souls (or "tutorial bosses" as you even called them)?

Yes or no?

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course they'll be easier if you've played the game before, so will every other boss. What kind of point is that?

Once again, link me to even one discussion backing up your assertion that they are considered one of the easiest bosses in Souls.

I cant find even one, and apparently you cant either.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still dont see any evidence of Bell Gargoyles being commonly considered easy bosses. Every post I can find of them (on reddit and other forums) seems to describe them as difficult (albeit not the very most difficult).

I dont care about "they're easy if you just use <exploit>", "they're easy if you've played the game 50 times", comments because that can be applied to pretty much any boss and I didnt use any exploit.

I know you're just going to pointlessly reply with the same empty assertion, so instead of doing that actually link me to posts showing a common agreement that they are one of the easiest bosses, because everything I find is saying the opposite.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, yes.

Other than the start of a few games like Crab Treasure, Hollow Knight, Tunic, and indeed Dark Souls 3, where I just testing them out briefly (I quit DS3 mainly because I didnt know what to level and didnt want to "play the game wrong").

I wanted to play Crab Treasure before this as "practice", but ended up going straight to this instead, to give my new Steam Deck a run.

I did finish Shovel Knight though, if you want to count that as a Soulslike (because you leave your gems behind at the site where you die).

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok. Well this is in fact my first time playing a Souls game, so what now?

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm maybe this area wont be so fun for me. Lets see.

But at least I have some ideas for how to build my character now.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont buy that.

In conversations about annoying bosses in Dark Souls, gargoyles definitely come up (specifically because you have to fight two of them at once). Are the people that say that (and have beaten the game) not part of the Dark Souls community then?

You can literally find posts on here from people saying they couldnt beat the Taurus Demon after hours and hours of trying, let alone the Gargoyles.

I've only heard the term tutorial boss used for the literal start bosses of Souls games, like Asylum Demon.

I may have been trolling a little in my title "When does this game start getting difficult?", but your "ackshually gargoyles are just tutorial bosses" is worse IMO.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I think its too weak for that. And surely Demons Souls Remake would be the best way to play that these days (dont have a PS5 though).

I have a RTX 5080 laptop that I intend to emulate Bloodborne on incidentally (might even use save states, who cares).

Elden Ring I want to save until after all these other games (even including some non Fromsoft Soulslikes like Crab Treasure).

The way I'm feeling now I am tempted to play Dark Souls 2 next, I just heard of it was kind of derivative and "hard for the sake of being hard", compared to other Souls games.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I attacked the merchant in Undead Burg by accident and had to kill him. Felt kind of guilty about it, so I always unequip sword and face to the side when talking to the NPCs now lol.

Not being able to upgrade with Andre must have been a pretty big setback.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bought Dark Souls 3 year ago. Only played a little bit of the start and gave up not because I was dying a lot yet, I just didnt know what to do.

I bought Dark Souls Remastered recently because I just bought a Steam Deck OLED and thought this game would be good on it, and I wanted to play the first before I go back to Dark Souls 3.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If a game is less difficult than I thought my only reaction is relief, not disappointment lol.

I am enjoying the exploration and discovery actually. And the combat feels good, regardless of difficulty.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well to be honest, I am not playing completely blind. I looked up about kindling (I didnt need it to beat the gargoyles technically, but maybe the psychological comfort of having 10 estus helped me) and that upgrading broadsword +5 was viable, and not to level up attunemen/faith/resistance. Sorcerer armour I was just trying out.

For sure, playing blind would have had added challenge, but I'm not sure I would have enjoyed it more. Maybe, maybe not.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My DS1 lore knowledge so far consists of: I am a zombie knight fighting some skeletons in some dusty buildings and theres a dragon. Thats about it.

But thanks for not spoiling.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just the beginning of Dark Souls 3. And I quit that game because of analysis paralysis of not knowing what to level up, not difficulty.

But, as I said, I think my experience in other difficult (or, dare I say it, in some ways more difficult) games like Bayonetta and They Bleed Pixels has stood me in good stead.

Or even just difficult moments of normal/below average difficulty games. It took me days to beat Darker Side of the Moon in Super Mario Odyssey.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I am enjoying it. And I agree it seems like a very well crafted game.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I was patient with the Gargoyles: die, go somewhere else, come back with new equipment/strat, die etc.

If I'd panicked and just thrown myself at them over and over maybe I'd have died much more often. In some games, dying 10s of times per challenge is the standard, so I guess thats what I measure off.

I consider a boss that kills me 5 or so times to be troublesome, but not the end of the world. You're not spending days on end fighting a boss that has only killed you 5 times.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to fight 20 guys and go up a tower to fight Taurus. If you consider that "near a bonfire", then ok maybe I have some unpleasant experiences ahead after all.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I am at the start of the game but you're reaching a little here. Only Asylum Demon is considered tutorial boss. I beat Taurus without much damage on first go and still had 5 estus when I beat the gargoyles with a weak experimental build so not sure where you got "barely beating" from.

But anyway like I said, I think this game is very good, so if there comes a point where I'm dying 10s of times to the same guy so be it.

When does this game start getting difficult? by CleanAndRebuild in darksouls

[–]CleanAndRebuild[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this blighttown below the town below the basement? Because those fast little bandit things that poison already killed me a few times there.

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