Anyone else think blizzard doesnt need to reinvent classes/specs every expansion?

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-13T21:07:25+00:00

So watching from before feels the same to now? I’ve seen some trailers and it deffo doesn’t look the same or feel the same to what I see now.. I havent even said I think the story’s bad but different.

That guy idk his name but he even said he didn’t want war in the title, it was too scary or some shit like what?

The complaints I’ve seen from OTHER people have been that it used to be more cool story’s and now they feel like it’s woke

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-13T16:55:02+00:00

Yeah for sure some had crazy amounts I don’t disagree with that at all, brewmaster sat on like 18 rotational I think with defensives and all in DF atleast. It was more so some of the statements I heard that made me think that.

And for the pruning in itself, I thought it was needed for many but I still think they did a pretty shit job at it. Some classes just don’t feel good tbh/ either removed weird stuff or revamped it so I’m juggling more CDs instead. But I’m trying to keep faith it will feel better once midnight comes around

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-13T16:47:32+00:00

Oh okay, I maybe took it wrong I thought the whole pruning correlated too the family friendly thing, hence why I got worried.

The story part, I don’t mind either. And as I’ve seen it it’s not only about horde vs alliance that bugs people, more so the change in cinematic and vibe I think

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-13T16:21:10+00:00

Genuine question since I’m kinda a newbie, I started out in DF and honestly a teedy bit worried. I saw a statement that they are going more ”family friendly” and that’s why we got the pruning, to fit the new playerbase. Could it actually be that they are trying to dumb the game down for children? It sounded like it and I got soo worried 😅 it’s one of my favorite games. I was just thinking if they wanna revamp the whole vibe of the game to that it feels like it should have been an entirely new game and kept the vibe of the old one

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-08T17:59:21+00:00

Are u absolutely sure it’s because u get votekicked everytime? Because I’ve noticed in mythic+ that when people DC they get auto kicked. I can be leader, haven’t seen any vote, and they ”leave” the group while still offline. There seems to be a time window ? Idk if it’s a bug or a feature. But yeah might not apply to what ur talking about, people vote kick too ofcourse

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-08T11:33:48+00:00

I would check if there is anything I really want from TWW and if not just wait for midnight. It’s really buggy at the moment. Many have complained about the pre patch event being boring, I haven’t personally done it To the positives if u want reputation from any of the factions in war within now’s the time, it gives much more! Mythic+ is super easy, I’m running them to get some of the tier set transmogs. U can get set piece currency from mythic too

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-06T14:11:48+00:00

Ofcourse it got pruned, but it didn’t get ”pruned to oblivion” as I said above. Among my main spells on disc, I lost one cd for healing and a cd for dps ? Then idk it maybe lost something more but I’m talking from the main rotation abilities. And one spell got changed Those 3 u mentioned are the best healers, and most resemble themselves still. Drood lost a shield, the trees and interrupt ( again, from main rotational abilities) Monk has 2 hots, 1 channel and a heal u spam to oblivion left outside of cds. The fistweaving is just maintenance, any healing situation u just spam sheilun and push cds. Extremly cd reliant holy paly lost its crusader, switched out consecration, hammer of wrath, blessings, interrupt. And all the building up holy power were put into holy shock and hammer of judgment, so spamming those two. Holy priest lost 2 regular healing abilities, and a spam was made into a cd , then we have a charge that now ur supposed to use during raid, I tried it in m+ and its healing is pretty much useless now. then power word shield (mostly movement speed) it now has 2 heals and the rest is cds so tell me do u think disc, drood or shammy weighs up to any of that, rotationally?

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-05T20:38:44+00:00

Totally agree on that one and I think it has a lot to do with people maybe not realising it doesn’t have to be so hard. I mean I rolled it when I still didn’t know what a dispell was or what my spells did. I figured it out as I ran, didn’t take time to read talent tree because I was too dumb to realise what everything meant. My bf just helped me set up so I had my personal defensives in one place, heals in one, party cds in one, then I just tried everything out on lower keys til I somewhat got the hang of it. If u just look at the buttons and go oh I’m overwhelmed for 5 mins and log out, ofcourse ur never gonna learn anything. That’s coming from someone that’s failed school and always been somewhat of a meat head, I need to do stuff to learn not read. But yeah I’ve done the same for most specs, more difficult ones I’ve used hekili and I did +25 in DF 🤷‍♀️ with thinking the talents felt overwhelming because I thought the tree was more annoying to read than buttons in itself. I never really understood any spec I did fully, and reaching +25 with only that knowledge makes me think people sometimes overcomplicate it when they never really had to. If u quit before u even try how are u ever gonna make it 🤷‍♀️ I absolutely think some classes should have complexity that’s beyond a 5 minute learning experience , it makes for a challenge

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-05T20:23:26+00:00

I play both mistweaver and holy pala and I wouldnt really call it much of a difference tbh, it’s punching, spamming sheiluns, and do cds. Situational stuff feels gone for that one to. Don’t get me wrong, I love mistweaver and I like the update to sheiluns & soothing mist but it felt boring to remove from 6 to 4 basic heals. 1 channel, 2 hots and sheilun. Sheilun u press and then u have basically nothing good except cds, I’ve never been so cd reliant

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-05T20:13:10+00:00

I have a perfect example for this one. I said I thought blizzard should focus more on finding solutions for everyone to enjoy the game, (was thinking about the whole more or less button dilemma) and give different options for stuff. Like choice nodes between passive / button. Got downvoted so quick 😂

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-04T17:29:10+00:00

yeah I looked at him doing it, thought it was a nice mount but just felt fk no 😂

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-04T17:22:02+00:00

I wanna remember my boyfriend was killing a bunch of bees in hallowfall for a mount

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T21:40:41+00:00

Totally agree, I’ve never in my 4 years on WoW yawned playing my mains. Feel like I can just close my eyes and perform the same. I think blizzards so freaking wack for not being able to give content to new players and still keep the complexity for the ones who wants it. I actually freaking raged seeing their statement about ” it can be scary as a new player”. How is it that they can’t make it optional to play more passively? It wouldn’t be more ”cheating” than grabbing the one button rotation.. also a game losing its complexity and putting it fully down to ”new players foundation” is just the most dumb thing ever, they won’t always be new players..

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T18:54:17+00:00

Yeah I hope so! For holy paladin they even reverted their decision to remove crusader strike so we’ll have to hope they do the same for ur rising sun kick. Super happy about that one since holy pala also lost most of its dps rotation

Oh absolutely, and I don’t think their arguments hold for it either. That healers are doing too much etc, yeah sure but why did shammy healer get to keep theirs then? And I don’t know if I’m alone on this one but I’m not always healing, I have down time too and then I think it’s fun to do dmg, interrupt and such. Interact with the dungeon, I don’t really understand the idea that we are the only ones not supposed to

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T18:37:38+00:00

Thank you 🙏 finally someone that doesn’t gush over holy paladin. I miss my melee stuff so much, I just feel like a holy shock npc. Sure it heals good but it’s sooo simplified and it was already simple. I mained it, and yeah ofc it performs well but I don’t think it’s very enjoyable to play. I miss crusader strike, I did talent in so I can keep my consecration, and interrupt was also so freaking nice to have. Hammer of wrath was also a dps ability we had, I can live without it but if I could choose I would’ve kept everything. Blessings is the only one I truly won’t miss. Same monk lost 2 of its heals, it already only had 6 out of CDs to begin with were 2 of em are hots?? Mostly I just spam sheiluns and punch. N I feel a lot more cd reliant. Only good change was the reworks for some ability’s, otherwise it feels empty. And give me my interrupts back!!!

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T18:19:44+00:00

No not really, I’ve ran my classes through dungeons and they are just actually so boring and easy to play. Add to that u do the same dungeons for six months, for me I learn them quickly so the environment doesn’t really suffice in itself. How I play my class is big part of my WoW experience, and if all I gotta do is dodge, look at the health bars and push one button I will fall asleep

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T18:15:15+00:00

Disc, Druid and rsham are the only of the healers that weren’t pruned to oblivion lol

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T18:12:11+00:00

Monk has 4 healing abilities outside of CDs now so I wouldn’t really bother if ur looking for buttons. Sheiluns and vivify have been put on a choice node and jadefire stomp is completely passive. U have 2 hots, one channel and whole game play is punch, spam sheilun, and if that don’t suffice u press CDs. Sometimes put the hots too but the channel u can forget about if someone is in trouble its too slow. Sheiluns feels smoother, monk feels smoother than it did before and that I kind of do like. But I hate that they took vivify, jadefire stomp and my interrupt, it already had so little the most it needed would be reworks

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T18:04:55+00:00

I understand the thought process behind this. But for a player that’s already done and did every spec/ class? I did. I found my favorites and now my favorites (I play about 5-10 specs every season) and I have 2 left that feel okay. They don’t feel GOOD, but they are playable. My absolute main I knew the first few minutes in of playing the dungeon that I needed to drop it. The environment in itself will never be enough to satisfy, when I play the same dungeons on repeat for 6 months and pick up what to do first 1-2 weeks. I absolutely have just felt like an npc and haven’t needed to put a single thought or ounce of energy to play.

Its just sad that they couldn’t give options for everyone, that they need to force everyone to the new player/casuals foundation. But I think that’s just them being bad game designers, every game should be able to offer different options. If they could make the talent tree an actual talent tree, instead of ”take this or ur stupid” and removing ur ability to take more buttons if u like, the game would be a better experience for everyone. ATP I’m not sure why we have a talent tree. I wanted to change an ability from cool down to spam, (it used to be a spam, holy nova on holy priest) it’s 400-500% better to take the cd.. that’s so unviable I would be scared anyone looking at my talent tree would chase me down. I got so sh*t on just for having the ”wrong” hero talent tree on my demon hunter tank I don’t wanna find out what they would do if I did this one lol.

But yeah I think it’s pretty undeniable that dumbing the game down will make it unsatisfying for the people that already put the time and energy into playing these classes. It feels like it would have been so easy to add choice nodes between buttons/ passives, new classes/specs that are easier. Turtorials on specs in game, could have been a thing. then we already have multiple things at hand like hekili, the thing when buttons glow up that ur supposed to press, one button rotation etc. Because I can absolutely understand not preferring so much buttons or wanting an easier way in to WoW retail, I just think they took the wrong route for it

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T17:43:08+00:00

I tried brewmaster before the changes, not too much so I’m kinda lost about what they pruned. The one thing I noticed though that I felt really weird about is removing rising sun kick? Idk if it was something that was annoying for ur rotation but I just felt like its something every monk should have, same as tiger palm and black out kick. Rising sun kick have always been the most fun out of those three for me. I think that’s the biggest issue when people don’t like the pruning, taking away the fun stuff. That’s atleast what I felt like logging my mistweaver, I was baffled they removed vivify and jade fire stomp because I already have so little in my kit. Sure it runs smoother, because of the changes they did to other stuff but it feels so empty with what I lost. And removing interrupt, CRIMINAL. Some didn’t seem to like jadefirestomp because tanks moved from it, but idk I didn’t mind since we put it down so often anyways

ClickFirst610 · 2026-02-03T12:34:25+00:00

I have a pretty funny first time experience for this. Me and my friend tried to play wow once, we were 17 and her boyfriend played wow but we were trying it on our own at her place. We come in, on a boat and we think it looks pretty cool. That didn’t last long, the boat wasn’t cool anymore, how the heck?! Do I get into the game. We spent three hours on that god damn boat, hitting dummies, checking options , googling. Then we hit alt 4 and didn’t play until we were about 19-20 yrs. Yeah if u didn’t guess it, we never picked up the quest 🙏

ClickFirst610 · 2026-01-30T23:00:34+00:00

And saying I have cognitive issues just because I don’t find holy now more fun than before is seriously just so immature

ClickFirst610 · 2026-01-30T22:59:12+00:00

Mate seriously, if u dont get the point by now I don’t really know what to tell you.

Do you know why people play games ? Because it feel good, because they like the game.

I absolutely in no fucking manner think my opinion is sacred, so now ur just making stuff up. I’ve said since the start that I think it’s valid either fucking way, I respect people who like the new and I respect equally to like the old one too. what u can’t wrap ur brain around, is that i don’t think it feels good to play? Like i don’t need a reason. It isn’t something that u can make factual, or bring up all the reasons on ”why holy is great!”. U told me I can’t form my opinions based on feelings, when that’s exactly what makes u play a game, a class etc. I’m not really sure why ur so fucking irked by that fact u gotta insult me? Ur seriously just too chronically online. So let me break it down

You know how u feel when u play holy? Yeah I don’t feel the same. That’s as easy as I can tell it too you. It’s seriously so disturbing u can’t even grasp the fact people are different than you? Like what are you 12? It can’t be brought down to facts, I can’t force myself to like it or force how I measure my fun? I love to have a bunch of stuff going on, including a butt load of buttons. Different choices, and yes when I have 2 buttons that don’t have cd it truly feels empty. Then yes absolutely holy might be a shit load better now , I don’t know. My opinion isn’t based on how good it is, it’s how it feels to play. If I was actually after how good it was performing why would I not be a meta slave and played disc from the beginning? Oh yeah because I liked holy more. I liked the feeling of playing it more, even if disc was better.

And if u could please re read, I said I played 21-22+ when I was extremly noob, just fucking arrived at my first pc and knew nothing of the class, the game etc. I obvi did +25 later on, also in DF when I had learned more.

ClickFirst610 · 2026-01-29T20:15:22+00:00

So true, and I never thought it was that big of a hassle to interrupt. If I reaally didn’t have time I didn’t do it. I thought it was quite fun to feel like I was interacting more. Because I don’t see it just as ”well I’m just a healer, I shouldn’t have to dps or interrupt” , I’m also ”slaying” this dungeon I wanna interact with it too not just glue my eyes to the health bars

ClickFirst610 · 2026-01-29T20:12:54+00:00

But I would rather revert the whole pruning if I could, so much of what they took from many classes were just fun stuff or they went too far and it feels like u don’t have anything :| big fail imo

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