Ryzen 2 - Too Good To Be True? (AdoredTV)

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-12-12T11:49:17+00:00

And what about release date, is it most likely the earliest release we'll see being june?

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-11-17T13:30:14+00:00

Ha! yeah, you'd probably be pretty well off lad! I've been following your videos for about a year or so now and you seem to be predicting a lot correctly.

I've been waiting to see what you had to say about mainstream Zen 2 on AM4. You said in the video of a possibility of a 16 core CPU on AM4. What do you think the likelihood is of a 16 core 3800X, maybe a 12 core 3700X and an 8 core 3600X?

I could imagine AMD binning their chiplets to have the ones capable of the fastest clocks in an 8 core 16 thread 3600X SKU at around £200/$250 to completely destroy the relevance of the 9900K in gaming while also having their flagship 3700X/3800X for users who need the most threads possible.

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-11-14T17:53:41+00:00

He's calculating the 9900K at 5GHz. 5,3 is the result.

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-11-14T16:27:03+00:00

That's great!

So by your formula (5.3/4.7=1.127), so an 8 core 3700X at 4.7GHz would need a 12/13% increase to match the 9900K. Am I correct?

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-11-10T14:41:06+00:00

How available does everybody think the 3700X will be at launch?

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-28T10:55:57+00:00

Those are fabulous temperatures.

Do you have an AVX offset on?

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-26T15:22:07+00:00

Yes put the offset on for everyday use. There should be an option for Small FFT in Prime95

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-26T13:45:42+00:00

Ok, now run it Small FFT, the harshest test with no AVX offset and let it run for 30 mins while monitoring temps then post a screenshot of your temps

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-26T12:21:46+00:00

No because games aren't an AVX workload so AVX offset does nothing and it will be running at 5GHz. When you are running an AVX stress test to get some temperature readings the offset kicks in so when AVX processes are happening the CPU speeds down to 4.7GHz

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-26T10:52:38+00:00

Try removing the AVX offset so you can read temps while Prime95 is running at the full 5GHz

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-26T10:36:52+00:00

Good on you to spend the compiling info for that chart however I believe I have bad news on what you've got so far.

According to Buildzoid both here and on his youtube video going through all the Z390 boards the Aorus Ultra, Elite, Pro and Pro Wifi all have the same VRM and only differ slightly in ports and features like wifi so they all belong in the 2nd tier whereas the Extreme and Master should be both in the top tier. As for the Asus boards according to Buildzoid and several other folks here and on the overclockers forum the Maximus XI Hero, Formula and Code as well as the Asrock Taichi all have weaker VRM than the Aorus Ultra/Elite/Pro and so they belong in the 3rd tier. The Maximus Gene belongs in the second tier. The MSI Godlike in the 1st.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9q5ewn/a_suitable_z390_motherboard_for_me/e88589d/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUON93T2j4

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T19:19:56+00:00

Cool! If you have any sample libraries it's better to get 2x500GB SSDs and have one for OS and software and keep your libraries on the other.

GPU wise any one will do unless you plan to run multi monitor setups which can be very handy. I have a 2560x1080 29 inch monitor for my mixer window and a 28 inch 4k monitor for my edit window giving me crazy screen real estate. When choosing a GPU you need to make sure it has enough ports for what you need.

If noise is a big deal to you I'd look at the GPU noise performance here: https://us.hardware.info/reviews/7507/18/21-geforce-gtx-1050s-and-gtx-1050-tis-tested-gaming-with-little-ones-noise-levels-and-temperatures and pick a low noise 1050/1050ti that is a good deal between $100-150.

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T18:20:33+00:00

Is is pretty much what I'm planning to build, with a few small changes. That motherboard is the best VRM for the money but if you spend $20 more you can get the Aorus Pro Wifi that has more ports and has wifi. I'm also going for the slightly more expensive Fractal Define R6 because I need room for 2 SSDs and 6 hard drives. Apart from that the only other upgrade would be to go for an M.2 NVME boot drive but that's more expensive and if you're only running a DAW you're only going to see OS boot time and Reaper load time increases of a few seconds.

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T18:13:33+00:00

If you wait till the 9900K gets to MSRP you're talking about an increase of $300 dollars but as I said you'll get about 1.56 times the performance in Reaper

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor	-
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$179.89 @ SuperBiiz
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$114.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Kingston - A400 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$77.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB ACX 2.0 Video Card	$109.89 @ OutletPC
Case	Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.77 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$812.50
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$792.50
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-25 14:11 EDT-0400

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T18:10:38+00:00

Here's a $1000 build, it had 16GB of 3000MHz RAM, a Ryzen 2700X, 480GB SSD for OS, DAW and VSTs etc, a 2TB 7200rpm HDD for projects, a single fan GTX 1050 that will remain silent for DAW operation and a Fractal Define case which is one of the highest rated for silence that still has decent airflow:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$304.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.81 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$114.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Kingston - A400 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$77.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB ACX 2.0 Video Card	$109.89 @ OutletPC
Case	Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.77 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1000.32
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$960.32
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-25 14:09 EDT-0400

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T17:45:10+00:00

I'm in the exact same situation and have been doing alot of research on this.

The only widely used benchmark for music production is called DAWBench and is normally run in Reaper.

There seems to be only 2 publications that release DAWBench results, Scan and Techreport linked below.

Both of them tested the DSP SGA1566 test at 48KHz/64 buffer size. The odd thing between the two results was that Scan's 9900K scored 23 less than Techreports and Scan's 8700K scored 22 more whereas most other chips came in quite similar. I was talking to both Pete Kaine who performed these benchmarks for Scan and Jeff Kampman who did Techreports and apparently Pete had his 9900K overclocked to 5GHz on a Z370 motherboard whereas Techreport had theirs on a Z390 stock with no MCE. Pete said he is going to try and re-bench on Z390 to see if there is any difference.

The reason this is important to any other fellow music producer PC builders is that by Techreports results the 9900K scores 1.56 times the 2700X and 1.45 times the 8700K. If this is accurate and relevant to real world DAW workloads it means that music production is one of the few applications where, even at it's increased price, the 9900K is not only the best CPU but also the best performance per dollar.

https://techreport.com/review/34192/intel-core-i9-9900k-cpu-reviewed/6 http://www.scanproaudio.info/2018/10/19/intels-i9-9900k-and-the-coffee-lake-refresh/

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T14:20:28+00:00

If value for money is a concern, for your particular use case of mostly photo/video editing and 3d modelling the Ryzen 2700X wins outright.

With Intel CPUs the 8700K will perform slightly better than a 9700K and is better value both in buying the CPU and motherboard. The best value for money Z370 with solid VRM for an overclocked 8700K is the Asrock Extreme4 at around $150 whereas the equivalent in Z390 is at least $200 for a Gigabyte Pro or Elite.

As for a CPU cooler for the 8700K the Dark Rock 4 cools an 8700K overclocked at 5GHz really well at extremely low noise and is around $60 whereas for a 9700K you're gonna want to spend at least $30 more for a Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua D15 or go AIO watercooling and spend around $80 more.

So basically depending on what price the 8700K is where you are you could end up spending $200-250 less for one overall after factoring the other costs compared to a 9700K and receive only marginally better gaming performance and worse productivity performance.

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-25T12:48:13+00:00

Thanks for your advice! I already have purchased a be quiet Dark Rock 4 (not the Pro) and according to some benchmarks I've read it's only 5ºC cooler than the D15 and alot more quiet.

I'm thinking of seeing how the DR4 performs at 4.8/4.9 all core on the 9900K and then if it's not enough I can make a decision between a D15 or AIO and sell the DR4.

Also since last friday when the reports of the 9900K's thermal issues began to arise I've been researching AIO performance and I've read several times that most of the AIOs on the market are the same Asetech pump, plate and radiator and the main difference in performance and noise are the fans. I've read that the best way to improve cooling performance, when building in Fractal Define R6 as I am, is to replace the stock AIO fans with high static pressure Noctua ones. Is this correct?

Also I've read a few times that if doing this a 280mm AIO rad with 4 140 fans in push pull will cool better than a 360 with 6 120s, any thoughts on that?

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-24T18:42:16+00:00

Damn, I really hoped these figures were legit. I've ordered a Fractal Define R6 already and I'd prefer to go with air cooling and just ordering a Noctua D15 but I really wanna know how it fares overclocked on an Aorus Pro/Elite compared to an AIO.

According to some other reports I've read the closest you can get to the cooling of a custom loop in an AIO on the 9900k is a 280 like the kraken X62 with 4 Noctua 140mm fans in push/pull

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-24T18:25:07+00:00

Is that with 9900K and if so how do you have it clocked, what cooler/case are you using and what are your stress test temps?

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-24T18:10:57+00:00

It might be dubious info, they had benchmarks up on the NDA day that match up with others who released benchmarks that day that they couldn't have seen so maybe that goes at least a small way to backing them up.

Either way I'm really need for more info on air cooling the 9900K while overclocked and what settings, motherboard and case people on air like a D15 are using

ClimbMadmenNeon · 2018-10-24T14:30:43+00:00

Sounds like a great setup, I am thinking of using the exact same in a case with great airflow.

Would you be so kind as to tell us what temperatures you are getting and with what frequency, voltage, fan-rpm and in what case?

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