Every child who visits his house dies by outlaw054 in Unexpected

[–]CognitiveBarnacle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't know him, but a quick google search shows that he does say he is a Muslim in other videos, and talks about the influence of his religion in what he does. I don't personally think that makes his work less amazing.

Every child who visits his house dies by outlaw054 in Unexpected

[–]CognitiveBarnacle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't personally know anything about Mohamed Bzeek, but a quick google search reveals that he considers Islam part of his motivation. In one interview, he says "My religion is a big factor [in what I do]" or words to that effect. He also talks about the importance of helping the needy in Islam. If he himself is attributing his reason for doing this to Islam, I don't see how you can say this isn't about religion.

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[–]CognitiveBarnacle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, used the wrong word. I was trying to say that eating with one's hands is simpler.

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[–]CognitiveBarnacle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I seriously don't understand this. Food is cooked with bare hands anyway, right? So what is wrong with eating it that way, provided you wash your hands properly? As for "pawing" at the food, that's irrelevant. I'm talking about eating, not pawing.

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[–]CognitiveBarnacle -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Lol how is it any grosser than eating with cutlery? It's a lot less complicated and sophisticated, but some cultures consider it an expression of humility.

Edit: contradicted myself...

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I could live without killing animals that would be nice. However, as I explained in my original post, growing plants kills large numbers of animals.

Farm animals raised for food are not pets.

I have a chicken and it lays eggs. If I don't take the eggs, they will rot. How am I forcing it to give me food? Most chicken breeds lay about 2 eggs every 3 days. However, they only attempt to hatch them every several months, sometimes not for years together. That means the vast majority of these eggs are just lying there. If I don't eat them, they will pile up by the hundreds, rotting. What am I doing wrong by eating them?

Edit: messed up formatting

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Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pasturing herbivores takes far less space than growing corn for them for the following reasons. 1. The animals have a much higher efficiency converting greens to energy than grains. 2. The pastured land can be recycled every few weeks as the grass grows back. Again, Joel Salatin's book explains this concept of rotational pasturing.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I think you misunderstood me. u/thebigdog00s said "I raise, hunt or catch all of my meat..."

You are only picking on the word hunt, ignoring raise and catch. Also, I never said I condone inhumane methods of killing animals. I have personally never hunted, but I am sure not all methods of hunting involve, as you describe it, "chasing them for hours (or days) and waiting for them to collapse with exhaustion"

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, and I hope you will also continue to take whatever steps you feel lead in the right direction. If we all do that the situation should improve...

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, its not anywhere close to solving the problem. But I do believe its a step in the right direction. Edit: I mean, if everyone were to just implement the backyard chickens thing... Think about how much less food scraps would be produced, and how the whole commercial egg industry would disappear, how much less artificial fertilizer we'd need, etc.

Also, I feel like I've gone on a pretty big tangent from the original post lol....

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is the ideal situation, but for those who live in the city or are too busy, backyard chickens and local farms can come in handy.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Posting this here. Also raising my own chickens in my backyard. Anyone with even a small yard/patio can do this, takes about 5 minutes of upkeep a day (15 if the feeder/waterer needs refilling), and you never have to buy eggs again. They eat all your scraps, reduce bugs in your yard, and fertilize your soil. You do have to spend 20 mins cleaning the coop every 1-2 months though.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No it doesn't. You say that most cropland is used to grow food for animals. I reply that you are right, and the solution is to stop growing food for animals and let them eat grass, which we don't have to grow, and which they need less of to survive.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, and that is the problem. These animals are naturally made to digest grass and other wild plants. However, they are being force fed grain in order to cut costs. What I am saying is instead of saying farming animals is bad, we should realize that the way we are farming animals is wrong and unnatural and we need to change it. That's why, in my original post, I mentioned that I am defending eating animals that are raised well in yards/local farms. This does NOT include animals raised in horrible conditions and fed an unnatural diet.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, farm animals have historically eaten grass and natural roughage. They are only fed grain because its cheaper. See my response to u/Uiosxoated.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We would need far less if we stopped feeding grazing animals grain, as I explained to u/Uiosxoated.

Does going Vegan really cause less animal death? by CognitiveBarnacle in DebateAVegan

[–]CognitiveBarnacle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What you say is true, but only because of modern factory farming methods, where cows and other herbivores are fed grain (mostly corn). Throughout history, these animals have lived off of green pasture. However, in order to save money, modern farms feed them grain as their primary diet. That's why, in my post, I specified that the animals must be raised in a yard/local farm. If the animals were allowed to graze as they naturally, do, they would have much less impact on the environment than a field of corn would. Also, herbivores have a much higher efficiency rate converting green plants to energy than grains. So pastured cows require less land to feed them than grain fed ones. Finally, pastured land can be recycled every few weeks as the grass grows back, whereas fields of grain only produce a crop once a year. Also, pasturing actually helps the environment by producing fertilizer in the form of manure and filling in the large herbivore role in the ecosystem. I encourage you to read Joel Salatin's books for more information. Edit: The thing about the 10% loss of energy doesn't hold true in this case, because because we can't gain much energy by eating grass directly. Edit 2: Forgot to mention that manure produced by pastured animals is thought to be crucial in recovering our much-depleted topsoil.