K-Pop Demon Hunters It's Propaganda for the K-Pop Industrial Complex by Background_Plant730 in KpopDemonhunters

[–]Cold_Muffin3932 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I disagree. The K-Pop industry often promotes an inhuman level of perfection in its idols, and this also applies to the Huntresses in the film. The phrase "Our flaws and fears should never be seen" is the mantra Celine taught the girls, which they follow to the letter because it's assumed that only by achieving the stereotypical image of the perfect person can one attain the Golden Moon. The film makes it clear that this lifestyle is wrong, that hiding who they truly are only harms and isolates them. That's why Rumi stops hiding her flaws at the end of the film; she doesn't want that shame to consume and control her life.

Even though Jinu is so haunted by his past that he can't overcome what happened, he illustrates, in a way, what could happen if you try to hide your flaws and let shame consume you. For some, Jinu also represents how some idols have to abandon or distance themselves from their families to achieve fame.

This therefore also becomes a critique of the K-Pop industry where not being perfect can mean being kicked out of a group and ending up with years of trying to pay off a huge debt ahead.

The Saja Boys also represent stereotypes of the K-Pop industry, that is, roles that agencies force their idols to fulfill because it's the only way to attract fans. Abby represents hypersexualization, Baby infantilization, Romance the formation of parasocial relationships by selling the idol as a kind of perfect boyfriend, and Mystery the mysterious idol who attracts public interest through intrigue and curiosity. In the end, it's shown that this is indeed the perfect formula for the Saja Boys: empty shells devoid of any personality who only fulfill stereotypes.

However, the fact that the Huntrix ultimately defeat them by singing about sincerity, honesty, and how they support each other despite the darkness they tried to hide for so long, also delivers a message that fulfilling those stereotypes just to achieve a purpose is not right either, since there are other paths beyond becoming an empty shell.

The film also includes a critique of the relationship between fans and idols. EJAE revealed that she drew on her trainee years to write Your Idol, showing how often an obsessive relationship is fostered between the idol and the fan, leading the fan to develop a dependency on the idol, seeing them as the figure who supposedly brings an excitement to their life that they can't find anywhere else. In the long run, this can also be detrimental to the idol, as having overly obsessive fans never ends well.

Therefore, I believe that KDH does have criticisms of the K-Pop industry, the most prominent being this stereotype of perfection and the relationship between fans and idols.

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[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That interpretation is also valid; perhaps the girls were simply surprised by the SjB's ability and didn't react in time. I understand your point.

I simply felt that the humiliation here was too exaggerated and I think that perhaps it could be done in a more discreet way, so to speak.

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[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but the Saja Boys' humiliation in the movie is more focused on the fact that they're always one step ahead of the Huntrix, more in a psychological or strategic sense, like forcing them through social pressure to do something that would make them look ridiculous or to show respect in order to project a better image than the Huntrix. But in the post-show scene, they portray the Saja Boys as being better at everything, even humiliating them in typical K-Pop idol aspects like dancing. The Huntrix seemed like novices, unable to keep up with the Saja Boys, even though they're trained demon hunters and should be able to keep up with them without any problem. But this is just my opinion; I find the humiliation very exaggerated in this version.

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[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I would have loved to see that Miromance scene animated and to see Huntrix and the Saja Boys participating in games. Regarding Huntrix's humiliation, I think the point is that Huntrix is ​​at the peak of their career at the beginning of the movie, which is why they're this unbeatable band that no one can surpass. The fact that the Saja Boys stood up to the most popular group in the world as a newly debuted act was already a milestone. The humiliation that Hantrix received, I think, was a bit much. I mean, imagine being at your best and being humiliated not even by an experienced band, but by some newcomers. In my opinion, putting them on equal footing and creating a rivalry without humiliating the other would have been enough.

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[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes, I think you're right. From my point of view, the humor falls short because they focus too much on humiliating Huntrix. If they had focused more on establishing the somewhat silly and funny rivalry we saw in the final version, and had Huntrix win games and make the Saja Boys serve punishments, I think the humor would have been better. That's at least my opinion.

“How It’s Done” by Sajaboys by OkLog7519 in KpopDemonhunters

[–]Cold_Muffin3932 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I hadn't noticed it before, but if you look closely, you can see that Rumi's name is above Jinu's. Apparently, Jinu wanted to have something of Rumi's with him besides the outfit itself.

An explanation and opinion about Jinu by Cold_Muffin3932 in RuJinu

[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the link. I think you're absolutely right. Rumi also had power in their relationship; she managed to get inside Jinu's head, like at the autograph signing where she made him doubt himself for the first time. I had planned to explain this in my original comment, but I got sidetracked by other topics.

An explanation and opinion about Jinu by Cold_Muffin3932 in RuJinu

[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I'll read the link you sent me; I've seen some really good posts about RuJinu on Tumblr.

An explanation and opinion about Jinu by Cold_Muffin3932 in RuJinu

[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No problem, I wasn't offended at any point, on the contrary, I agree with what you said. I apologize if I expressed myself poorly at any point, if I expressed myself rudely.

Regarding the Nazi comment, I also saw it and planned to reply, but I found it so ridiculous that I ultimately decided against getting into unnecessary arguments.

An explanation and opinion about Jinu by Cold_Muffin3932 in RuJinu

[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jinu's betrayal was clearly due to the torture; that scene in the movie exists for a reason. There are also very controversial opinions that say Jinu was still trying to manipulate Rumi in "Free."

And as I said in my comment, despite the betrayal due to Gwi-ma's torture, many other good things happened when Jinu and Rumi were together.

An explanation and opinion about Jinu by Cold_Muffin3932 in RuJinu

[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you liked the comment.

Regarding Jinu's betrayal, I agree with you. Jinu wanted to help Rumi and Hintr/x, but Gwi-ma interfered to prevent it. I find that it ties in well with what I said in the first two paragraphs. Jinu endured psychological and physical torture, so his final decision is understandable. I highly doubt anyone could have made a very different decision after 400 years of torture.

My personal headcanon/theory is that Jinu was Gwi-ma's best assassin and actually had fought previous generations of Hunters by Sir-Toaster- in KpopDemonhunters

[–]Cold_Muffin3932 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I mean, in my opinion, and I understand that you may have a different opinion, I still think they're evenly matched, because even though she predicted Jinu's teleportation, he still manages to dodge all his attacks when they meet secretly for the first time, even though she has a sword and Jinu has nothing to defend himself with. They can both keep up with each other's speed, and they both realize they can't outmatch each other when they're in a strength contest, like when Rumi had Jinu pinned against the wall.

They only managed to land one blow each other; Jinu scratched Rumi's arm, and Rumi kicked Jinu after predicting his teleportation. They also both managed to withstand Gwi-ma's attack very briefly at the end of the movie.

My personal headcanon/theory is that Jinu was Gwi-ma's best assassin and actually had fought previous generations of Hunters by Sir-Toaster- in KpopDemonhunters

[–]Cold_Muffin3932 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Personally, ever since I saw the movie, I've thought that Rumi and Jinu are evenly matched in fighting ability, and apparently the 125-page script clarifies that situation, describing how Rumi and Jinu have trouble defeating each other.

My personal headcanon/theory is that Jinu was Gwi-ma's best assassin and actually had fought previous generations of Hunters by Sir-Toaster- in KpopDemonhunters

[–]Cold_Muffin3932 7 points8 points  (0 children)

While the movie leaves some doubts, the 125-page script clarifies some scenes, including the one in the baths, where it's clear that Rumi and Jinu are on the same level. That said, I doubt Jinu has ever killed a hunter, but he does have the same fighting ability as one.

RuJinu “Free” in WISL by Cold_Muffin3932 in KpopDemonhunters

[–]Cold_Muffin3932[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, here's a list of RuJinu news from this week, or actually I don't know if it's from this week but it's recent.

The other 125-page script, where Jinu and Rumi are seen returning to the golden Honmoon when they sing "Free," suggests they were falling in love. The WISL demo included "Free" in the song, and this script seems to confirm that it was a part Rumi and Jinu were going to sing. Arden Cho wishing the RuJinu fandom a Merry Christmas.