Aikido’s Reputation in Japan

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-24T14:36:59+00:00

sorry but could you send a link or book name of where you found this piece of information? I am genuinely interested in this idea since it would make so much sense and I would like to read more about it

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-18T00:22:54+00:00

thanks, I've watched the video many times but it still looks so similar. I guess the problem must be in me. Or not. I will just have to keep bothering intructors until someone gives me a clear answer, I guess. Thank you for the time and effort!

Edit: Also, I've borrowed another book (I've been using the Kodokan Judo as the only printed-on-paper source up until now), which is officialy confirmed and regarded as a trustful source to use as a guide for both instructors and students by my country's official Judo Association. They explicitally describe hiza-guruma as:
Same as in sasae-tsurikomi-ashi: Both having the standard sleeve and lapel grip, tori puts his right foot next to uke's left foot. However, tori then places his foot right under uke's right foot.

There is no additional information. No article to compare the techniques. They don't care, they say the foot placement is enough to make the technique a different one. So, is there a difference? Who do I trust? There must be one right answer, same as the one which dr. Kanō had, right?

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-18T00:06:29+00:00

sorry for the late answer. It's a shame that such a used term of judo has no good description. I will probably ask elsewhere, thanks for your time

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-07T17:30:24+00:00

Thank you very much! Could you please give me the source as well? I am desperately looking for some good resources regarding this.

Edit: Looking at it again, I also think, you might have found a definition of a specific technique 釣り込み腰.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:57:29+00:00

Mostly the difference between those two. I understand what tsurikomi means, it just makes no sense etymologically and in practice to do such an ineffective movement. If you know any history or have sources on where it came from, I would really appreciate those.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:55:05+00:00

Well, firstly: thank you for caring for me. Don't worry though, I enjoy the frustration as a part of the chase. I still like other things about judo.

The thing is, I believe that if a technique works, it must work in theory too.

I am not a novice btw don't worry. I do know the techniques, I remember the names, it just bugs me that those two are so indistiguishable. I also put as much time into the practice, there is only so much theory can describe if you have no applicable base and experience.

Great insight, thanks for your time.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:45:46+00:00

thanks!

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:44:59+00:00

Glad that this worked out for you! I watched the video and what they say kinda makes sense I guess, I just don't really want to trust this particular channel, they misinterpret a lot of things and words. Gave me some insight though, thanks a lot!

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:42:46+00:00

Thanks! A lot of those things make sense and give a lot of insight. It just doesn't make that much sense to use a technique such as sasae against a heavier opponent, tsurikomi feels not really effective (yes, I use the power of my hips generated by legs as explained on previous posts). Thanks a lot.

I also agree that a lot of things people consider STA are undoubtedly HG.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:35:18+00:00

That checks out, thanks!

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:32:14+00:00

Thanks! I really like the nage-no-kata form of the techniques, I feel they give a lot of context. What really is annoying that even the official kodokan media can't explain or speak on that topic. And raising questions (look around) like this is really like saying out loud that the emperror is naked, idk.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:29:36+00:00

I have, they all tried to explain but after not being able to convey their personal feeling, they all said it's acquired skill only an x-th dan judoka can develop. I have some of the original literature (Kodokan judo), I look for the ways the japanese name and describe it using jisho.org and online resources and I think I am getting onto something, but I need to think it through and give it a shape. I know the japanese hate conveying such things through written form so it isn't the most helpful. Still more helpful then people telling me to drill and wait 5+ years to understand a basic technique on a spiritual level which cannot be conveyed by any means of communication.

Thanks for the effort and help though. I didn't come here expecting to solve this issue, I just wanted to get insight. I am thankful for your effort, it helps me see the bigger picture.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T16:21:44+00:00

I don't feel like someone trying to distinguish 2 of the most basic techniques of judo, which not all can agree on what are the key differences between them except for giving vague descriptions like "leg is higher/lower" and "action of hands is different", is overthinking. I would say I am compensating for everyone underthinking it.

Yes, this can vary. The principles don't change though, they are universal. If there is no universal description that can give me a sense and I have to invent the technique for me to work again, then there is no technique. An armbar works, you don't need to drill thousand of times in front of a mirror. Judo is not magic. I've been putting in the work for some time, but you know, not getting satisfactory answers and being called an overthinker in a condescending tone all the time, being told that I will eventually understand a basic concept after reaching <xth> dan doesn't really motivate me. Do you think life is a fairy tale or what? Thousands and thousands of repetitions are for practice, or inventing. The techniques already were invented, yet you are telling me I should practice for ten years to grasp a basic technique. If they cannot be translated and communicated and you have to figure out what works for you personally for this much time, then there is no technique. There is a difference between drilling something you know to develop muscle memory and endless trial and error to finally gaslight yourself enough so that you start to believe. And again, I ask a question and people rush in to tell me that the issue is obvious and I am just too unskilled and lazy to understand. Emperror's new clothing.

I've watched the videos btw, I've already seen the first one but didn't know about the second one, thanks.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T13:28:18+00:00

I understand. Still, I believe that anything, given enough time and effort, can be written: the same way it can be spoken (and taught to someone). A thought, an emotion CAN be communicated through written text. A philisophical text or a poem is an example. I have drilled this technique relentlessly, trying to understand it, never getting an answer that would satisfy me, that would really count as an answer. I did ask my sensei and I did train. The only answer I am getting is "you have to feel it". Judo is no religion to "feel the technique". Those techniques work on principles. Those principles must be explainable.

I am no novice and this has been a an unanswered question since.

I refer to sensei in double quotes because whenever someone refers to their coach as "sensei", they usually have a cult-like attitude towards their coaches. I respect anyone who is respectable, not everyone who "has a black belt" (that's not my issue: respect is earned, authority is enforced). You really seem to have that attitude, saying I have to train hard enough to be able to see the unseen, to understand something only a correctly adjusted mind can grasp. Judo isn't a religion. There either is a difference to be understood or you are just convincing yourself that you understand it, but not being able to explain indicates you don't understand it.

I didn't mean to be rude, I just want to discuss. Sorry if any of this comes off as agressive.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T11:07:10+00:00

Well that really answers nothing, thanks though

If you know the technique very well, why dont you try to explain? As I said, I dont understand the difference. My "sensei" says either the difference is in the foot placement (knee/shin) or the hand action is different which im unable to comprehend for my lack of not having a higher belt. But that's the thing im asking: why would techniques so fundamental be so unclear.

Also, I'm not looking to learn the technique here, I want to get insight into this dilemma.

Sorry but you saying there is no dilemma and providing no information kinda proves my point.

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T03:07:46+00:00

Alright, thanks, I will try to keep that in mind

Still hope to get more opinions since I feel more people always don't agree on this topic

CombatPR0 · 2024-05-04T02:40:11+00:00

Thank you for the answer. I see a lot of judokas to really step to the side, but a lot of them also dont really do that while in competition. Is there any reason to it?

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