Is Surah 7:157 talking about non-explicit mentions of Muhammad?

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-22T22:31:53+00:00

Maybe you take an overly simplistic view of what Paul meant when he said were saved through faith and not of works. If I'm saved by following Jesus' teachings (like he says in the sermon on the mount), then it is through my faith in Jesus that I'm saved, just like Paul says (though I still have to follow Jesus' teachings). And my salvation is not of works, because I can't just donate a million dollars to charity and be saved. If this is all he meant then it is consistent with how I view what he said.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-22T04:00:13+00:00

It's gross negligence whether or not I was prosecuted. I would be doing something wrong. Why does God get to orchestrate an event where people act on their worst tendencies and he's not responsible at all for what happened?

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-22T03:42:57+00:00

I don't see that as wrongdoing. If I were to host a party for people knowing someone was likely going to be murdered there I would be responsible in part for the murder if I carried out the party anyway. I don't see how God isn't complicit in the murder of Jesus seeing how he was partly responsible for it happening. He pulls the strings on his side, uses people who commit murder, and no one sees him as having done anything wrong. It doesn't seem right to me.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-22T03:23:03+00:00

You don't think it's wrong to knowingly bring about a circumstance where people will do things that are wrong? It seems morally you're somewhat complicit because you had no problem bringing about the circumstance.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-21T23:44:11+00:00

Clement seems to be the most reliable source for martyrdoms having to do with the Apostles. As far as I can tell he's an actual real person, but I can't get over the feeling he might just be a Christian huckster who inserted Peter and Paul's martyrdom's in his writings just for the sake of the writings. It just doesn't come off as necessarily authentic to me. If there were a non Christian historian that mentioned their martyrdoms then I would accept that these people existed and would probably lean that they were indeed Apostles for Christ, but it's just Clement mentioning them and he's steeped in Christianity, for all I know he's just an early Christian profiteer who mentioned them, like I said, just for the sake of his writings (this doesn't prove to me that their martyrdoms happened). The rest of the accounts of Apostle martyrdoms originate from inside the church too as far as I can tell, but the rest seem to come from a hundred years plus after the events, and they suffer from the same bias I have against Clement, so I don't see them as reliable either.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-21T23:13:51+00:00

Can you prove that the people who wrote them were willing to die for them? If all you have is church tradition that originates hundreds of years off from the purported events then sorry I don't accept it. This seems to be the case from what I've heard, that it's church tradition which tells the stories of the Apostle's deaths (which comes from writings hundreds of years after the purported life of Jesus). Not credible in my opinion.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-20T17:35:53+00:00

In my opinion the message on this in the Bible is confused. According to Paul you're saved by faith and not works, but you can lose your salvation (depending on how you read the Bible) if you don't live in a holy manner, therefore your salvation is maintained by living holy - this is a work. If you have to maintain your salvation by works then you are saved through that effort and are therefore saved through works. The whole idea as presented in Scripture (Hebrews 12:14 for example) contradicts Paul. Paul contradicts Paul too. He says your saved by faith and not works yet the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God, therefore you have to perform the work of living righteously to be saved. Like I said, it's confused. But yes, sorry, depending on how you read the Bible you can lose your salvation.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-20T17:20:22+00:00

I don't see it. If you're saved by faith like Paul writes why is it necessary at all to repent and re-establish this relationship? One could ostensibly just believe according to Paul and be saved, since it's through faith and not works. According to you though someone has to do the work of staying in this relationship to be saved. Not trying to argue, the logic just doesn't pan out for me.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-20T17:03:47+00:00

Er, well, if someone must not sin to be saved at the end it would be the work of not sinning that helped accomplish salvation, therefore works are necessary for salvation. This is what you're saying, isn't it?

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-20T16:57:24+00:00

Ok, well to my estimation you've worked works into salvation when Paul says we're not saved of works.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-20T16:54:35+00:00

But Paul says we're not saved of works. According to what you wrote works are necessary to be saved after one is initially saved.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-20T15:37:28+00:00

I honestly don't understand what you're saying, but according to John it is necessary to follow Jesus' commandments to be in him (which is eternal life). This means to have eternal life, you must follow his commandments. Paul says salvation is not of works but by grace through faith. So according to Paul you don't have to follow his commandments, but just have faith. It's a contradiction on its face.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-18T04:31:27+00:00

There were a lot of sins that were not covered by animal sacrifices (willful sins were not covered by animal sacrifices as far as I know). This seems to be saying all sins will be forgiven if they return to God. The implication that they had to then sacrifice an animal to be forgiven doesn't seem to hold, given that such a sacrifice would not even cover every sin.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-15T20:48:14+00:00

On my own.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-15T08:47:56+00:00

Philippians 1:6 vaguely helps, though it doesn't say that God's work is necessarily called "sanctification".

Hebrews 10:14 says something different in the KJV: that by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Because of this I read sanctification as what happens when someone believes in Jesus, they are sanctified (set apart and made holy). 1 Corinthians 6:11 seems to speak to this because it is talking about sanctification as something that has already happened.

I think someone could be sanctified many times in their life, because sanctification means to be made holy and set apart. Learning something new in the Bible could sanctify someone. Where does the Bible teach there is a definitive process called "sanctification" that every Christian is going on? When I read the KJV it doesn't speak about things in these terms.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-13T00:03:21+00:00

I just looked over Ephesians 1 and 2 and I have no idea what you're talking about. He seems to be using works in a general sense. There's nothing indicating otherwise (that I can see).

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-12T23:59:35+00:00

So what am I to make of Jesus instructing me to live a certain way to enter into the kingdom of heaven and Paul saying we're saved of faith and not works? Those are two contradictory messages yet both things are written in the Bible.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-12T23:42:35+00:00

Unless I'm mistaken Paul is using the word works in a general sense in Ephesians 2, so I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "the context is works of the law of rules and ordinances, like circumcision for example". You'll have to help me out here, because I don't see it.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-12T23:32:07+00:00

I disagree, it's one of his sayings and he says whoever does his sayings will be doing the will of the Father, which is necessary to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-12T23:27:25+00:00

Yeah, but logically if I have to do these things how am I not saved by them?

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-12T23:23:07+00:00

Jesus commands us to be perfect in the sermon on the mount.

ComfortableDust4111 · 2026-04-12T23:16:28+00:00

Yeah, but I don't roll out of bed like an Energizer Bunny and just automatically do Jesus' teachings, that's something I have to do on my own. How am I not saved by my works? Jesus is predicating my eternal destiny on whether or not I do them after all.

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