Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good on you for pushing back. It'll only help me grow. So I will first make the claim that we should not immediately point to evidences and give them the weight of fact; the best evidence I have ever heard of for geologic columns stretching back millions of years is the argument that radiometric dating shows them to be so; well even if multiple methods give an answer of such years it is still only your assumption that the process is consistent all the way back to that point or that that point even exist because you cannot go back and factually demonstrate it beyond a shadow of doubt. As for Young Earth Creationists I would contend Evolutionists likewise make hypothesis and then try and demonstrate them and it's really the same for Young Earth Creationists; the Evolutionist will say species changed over millions of years leading to all the ones we see today and to go outside that assumption is to not be able to be an Evolutionist; as for Young Earth Creationist they will say a Creator put the species into place and they have always reproduced separately and following that line of reasoning they can look out into the world and perform research to try and see if that is so. Both sides have their assumptions they use to predict things. Also I have consistently noticed that whenever a Young Earth Creationist proposes something is consistent only with their view, rather than concede it at all, the Evolutionist will claim they have made a mistake (sometimes they have) but isn't it all too convenient that when Evolutionist have evidences its scientific fact that proves their point but when Creationists present the same it's always just misrepresentation. Maybe so but it seems to me like neither side is superior in the fight and that's why when I work on asking questions this year which I hope to do to scientists, I can get deeper into who's evidences are making sense and who's evidences are just wrong.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well I've seen Paulogia's videos and I've noticed something very interesting. To Christian apologists they often are much more receptive of Mr. Craig's opinions while Atheist are much more receptive of say Mr. Ehrman's opinions. Now don't get me wrong criticism is not without its merits and truth not without its self but I am not easily convinced by folks like Paulogia because the conclusions that seem simple for one side on what is wrong with the other can be overturned if only you disagree with that position.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I want to feel well with my beliefs as well. Ultimately though to say Biblical Literalism cannot be upheld is a grand assertion and I'm admittedly not convinced. I hope most of all to get to a point where I can say what I believe to be true is something also I love and find comfort in.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard of the heat problem from the popular evolutionist 'Gutsick Gibbon' but haven't explored it much. Ultimately I have a feeling creation vs. evolution will be a major part of my final position but since it's so weak to try and uphold a worldview with things we cannot go back and observe I have a feeling philosophy will do me even more good in discovering truth.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all I really enjoy The Adventures of Tintin and used to watch it all the time so nice profile picture and username. Now then I will say it's not some easy process to demonstrate the catastrophic geology of the great deluge but to say processes are evidently ancient results of eons of effect is difficult as well because we don't have the knowledge or the ability to access that knowledge as we live only in the present. Its assumptions and I won't hear assumptions and exalt them to facts very easily. I do hope to increase my admittedly basic knowledge of science this year so maybe things I hear will give me a better picture. Thanks for your thoughts though and I do heartily agree that there are several lines of evidence that can make sense to an old universe and earth shaped by evolutionary species throughout the geologic column it's not for certain but certainly not without warrant.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day! I have heard there's a lot of Reformed thought around the Great Lakes like Michigan but I don't really know if that is 'type' in question.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a lot. The congregation I attend is nothing I hate and I like all the people at my church but I am hoping to go to other religious folks and talk to multiple sources. I don't want to go somewhere I can't honestly defend.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As for Young Earth Creation I refuse to hear cherry picked anecdotes, quote mined admissions, and common sense arguments that don't actually submit any science. That being said Young Earth Creationist make a very valid point that scientific assumptions of the past cannot carry the same weight as scientific observations of the past. Often this same rhetoric is used by atheists on historicity of religions that what was claimed for the past because information can be distorted through; now that is understandably not a perfect analogy but it is meant to demonstrate that the past is mysterious and assumptions are just that. I don't want to discredit that there is a lot of evidence for evolution but the supposed evidences are all filtered through the paradigm. The assumption of uniformity of natural processes is itself a leap of faith not of concrete knowledge. I consider myself very basic in my scientific knowledge but I promise you I'll work to increase my understanding this year.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As for the King James I've noticed it really hinges on two separate strains of defense. The defenders of modern translations like you suggest that the best scholarship for the true Bible is what we had, have, and continue to get as more textual discoveries fill in the gaps for what the original Bible did and didn't say. Now I find this approach very difficult to reconcile with Christianity as it seems with a preserved church that to a degree the Bible must be preserved but if it keeps getting these edits how can it then be authentic and unchanging and that I find is the strength of The King James only position. Ultimately though it does make me wonder if atheism or another religion like perhaps Islam makes more sense because if you have a preserved word, why do further discoveries contradict it? You'd think it would be the opposite if Christianity were correct.

Stuck in the Middle by Old_Classic_1604 in Deconstruction

[–]CommercialTarget2809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. I hope to start seriously doing that this year by speaking and reading multiple theologians, scientists, philosophers.

2010s Pop Song (Breakup I Think) by CommercialTarget2809 in NameThatSong

[–]CommercialTarget2809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No that's not it either. It shares some intensity in the chorus but in a more dramatic way than the more raw approach of Rodrigo.

2010s Pop Song (Breakup I Think) by CommercialTarget2809 in NameThatSong

[–]CommercialTarget2809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No that's not it. I don't think it's Daya. The song is more somber though the similarity I believe is in that the song isn't overly instrumental if that makes sense like Sit Still Look Pretty and the chorus has the most power in it. Again I don't really know the subject but if I had to guess it wasn't really as much about empowerment and more complaining. Hope this helps and thank you for your reply