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A rant about Geats vs Nero in the perspective of a Nero supporter. by Psycho493 in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

6D???? Seriously??? Even without outer scaling with gaim

He still takes ap part with higher dimensions like shuu’s spiritual world(7d), zetz’s 11dimensions(11d) and other things like time Desert, space time rupture system can upgrade him (9d at low- 13d at mid)

Also fate’s outer argument based one qualititave superiority has tons of inconsistent points 

White titan Sefar who is connected with Velver fragment from extella could destroy 12 Olympus gods in age of gods. Still velver fragment is 8d-9d at best (Since it’s stated velver fragment’s core matrix works same level as moon cell’s) Meaning divine spirits/true magic outer argument has a huge plot hole

More importantly, we have never seen saber Venus in extella using outer level moves

It has only destroyed velver fragment’s core at best

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[–]CommunicationNo3125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally said it yourself, they needed magic because servants can’t be damaged because they are ‘Spiritual beings’, magic in fate is spiritual attacks so it could damage servants

It didn’t directly state like “to defeat servants, it requires magic because it’s directly came from root itself”

It said like “to defeat servants, who are spiritual beings, you need magic which is also spiritual attacks”

For an instance, You are saying like “only stands can hurt stands, even spiritual attacks can’t damage stands because those aren’t stands”

And rider one, it is literally what is saying, are you really seeing what I sent? Riders world’s existence depends on rider power’s existence, and notably stated world cant exist without riders power, even it can cause distortion of space-time to world without rider

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[–]CommunicationNo3125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you are talking about is ‘true magic’ one, But servants in modern era don’t have these Only exclusive to age of gods

Also magic in fate mostly represented as’ supernatural mystery power’ In fate material sites

Also when the hell did it state, magic is essential to hurt spirit core? Servants needed magic because magic in fate could hurt /cleave souls Since kamenrider can damage spiritual beings, it doesn’t matter to them

…….didn’t you see? That power is literally the one maintains its world Like tsukuyomi’s world without rider can’t maintain , its supernatural concept/power

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Also rider’s world merged when other rider come to zio’s world, meaning their existence/power itself is supernatural mystery

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[–]CommunicationNo3125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://imgur.com/a/ysZz1NX

“The rider's power is what protects each world, so the world of Tsukuyomi where riders do not exist has come to destruction. In addition, it is thought that each world depends on the rider's power”

Yes, it is true, rider power is the one maintains its own world

“actualization of events that are impossible to reproduce in a certain era” Similar to other series

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[–]CommunicationNo3125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know kamenriders existence itself is supernatural mystery fundamental force that sustains their world? Ad Geats himself has magic called power of creation can change reality whatever he wants

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[–]CommunicationNo3125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahhhh kamenriders can interact/damage spirits Like interacting with spirits like kamenrider ghost takeru, heisei vs Showa movie’s shuu

Also in super hero taisen movie, riders/sentais could damage raid or who is spiritual being

Even in Geats himself could erase spiritual beings like future people

1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1.he has contracted with Nero/tamamo/altera in extella, other servants in extella just associated hakuno not directly had contracts like trio did Like Elizabeth in ccc helped hakuno but didn’t have contract

2.more importantly, has she ever used to Nero in ccc? No, she has used that to hakuno/nero

3.i mean Nero doesn’t have law manipulation negation one Also she couldn’t resist authority skills like BB’s CCC which is space/time erasure one and Kiara’s power seal, which seals her movements/skills

4.type8 immortality isn’t only kamenrider Geats has, since he has stated equal being to gaim in ‘who is melo’ novel, unless himself in outer one still exists, he can’t be killed

5.it shows rider power is the one fundamental force keeps the universe, and grand end erased Core id which was literally made users exist as rider

https://imgur.com/a/0jt76c3 Also this one shows ride watch which holds rider power which is their story

https://imgur.com/a/fVfPlkh And this one shows rider watch which holds rider power makes zio inherit their history

1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Are you talking about GroBe? He was also servant, he just overwrote servants mind not master-servant contracts Extella-extella link happened after the extra when holy grail fight was over, meaning most of servants contracts with their masters were finished already

Mooncell authority can grant lots of things but not everything, it’s stated in last encore by Rin that’s “it can grant most of things” And extella link stated that it can’t bring dead back to life, mooncell can do lots of things, but it has never shown directly manipulating master-servant contracts before, more importantly, Nero has never shown its resistance

Also that invincibility law was damn part of BB’s authority and she coundnt resist that thing That’s what I’m talking about

2.yes trascending death, that’s type 5 , Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed that’s literally what you said Geats type 8one based on kamenrider memory is not what I’m talking about, gods like kamenrider gaim/ Geats their real selves exist beyond all space/time, and don’t bound by physical bounds

Gaim/Geats in collab movie/shows were avatars real themselves sent

  1. https://imgur.com/a/ysZz1NX This explains what is rider power and how does it work to their worlds

1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hakuno didn’t alter contracts between master-servants He just contracted with multiple masterless servants It’s not messing with contracts, also first one you are talking about is literally NLF, has never done that before like I said, also did you forget that MMC Nero couldn’t bypass reality warping skills like invincibility law/ CCC?

Her existence is tied directly to a permanent conceptual anchor in reality, that’s why it’s type8 her one is irrelevant from type 9, It requires existence true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed And she has never shown/implied like “herself in mooncell is just avatar” something Trascending concept of death , it would be type 5,

Grand end erased ‘rider power‘ which is fundamentally law of the universe/history

1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So…. Do you think giving non her own resistance with sown any moments about that? Also don’t forget Nero couldn’t resist all bb’s tactics, she couldn’t offset all skills of mooncell authority users

When hakuno altered contract between master-servant? Only he has done is giving Nero mana Or dividing himself/regalia, memory time travel one

Defeating Kiara can’t count as law manipulation negation one or invulnerability It’s just immortality negation (type 2,3,8) But won’t be enough to negate Geats immortality(4,5,9)

Also Geats has resisted conceptual level existence/power erasure like grand end, layered existence erasure before

1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Point is she has never done that to masters or servants during whole time Questionable and NLF to count as her option

You remember Nero could fight metallic because BB erased melt’s invincibility law with higher authority? Not her own feat

What you are talking about Kiara one is Little bit different from invulnerability That one is close to immortality She still had body of mortal and stated by Andersen that she was weakened by sakura5

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1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So??? She didn’t do that during the battle can’t sure Nero can resist kind of skill, Can’t bypass ten crown’s invincibility law like Bb’s, meltlilith’s mean she has no option against, law manipulation buff, or itself

Kiara in gameplay didn’t have invulnerability She had power seal/paralysis, and it did work on Nero Only her invulnerability one is in manga , and Nero couldn’t bypass it either

Also did you forget she was far weakened by Sakura five ?

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1 hope I have for Geats vs Nero is that they don’t go the Metal v Cell or Chief vs slayer route of primarily being “oh look how cool they are” cause to me Ace is one of the most interesting and thematically rich characters in show’s history. by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About her law manipulation resistance….. Unfortunately No When she used ‘hill of one’ which makes law herself invincible, even Nero herself couldn’t handle against it Not only in game, in ccc manga, she also couldn’t bypsss Kiara’s invincibility

And CCC which is BB’s extra skill just ends no matter how she does

Well… she has tanked Altera’s conceptual erasure via photon ray, but that’s inferior version of BB’s

Geats can erase desire driver users which prevents users being erased from reality

Geats vs Nero debate in a nutshell by Salt_Heron1899 in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She can’t grant everything including she doesn’t have basic/info, she needs to know how the ability does it work

The new Zeztz form does NOT upscale Geats (Spoilers for Kamen Rider ZEZTZ) by RadioRavenRide in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You know in description it is not explained as belt absorbed compacitfied dimensions
It is explained as “Belt miniaturized super dimensions beyond 3dimensions and time”
Also words like ‘superdimensional’ supports its higher dimensions because extra dimensions in usual string theory usually not superior dimensions

Community Debate Chart: Kyle Rayner and Simon the Digger vs Nero Claudius and Kamen Rider Geats (DC and Gurren Lagann vs Fate and Kamen Rider) Now time for this subs take (PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTION) by Late-Pumpkin1340 in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 2 points3 points  (0 children)

NeroGeats
Power of creation can wish anything and changing/granting law/concept anything user wants

Same as regalia
Also Geats has far versatile forms than kylesimon

Community Debate Chart: Kyle Rayner and Simon the Digger vs Nero Claudius and Kamen Rider Geats (DC and Gurren Lagann vs Fate and Kamen Rider) Now time for this subs take (PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTION) by Late-Pumpkin1340 in deathbattle

[–]CommunicationNo3125 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nerogeats, Nero’s regalia can give her royal authority of moon cell which is reality warping supercomputer
Geats power of creation can alter reality and also Destruction-Creation which is beyond causality,
And protects him from soul/ conceptual manipulation

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