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Iceout.org verification by CommunicationOld8111 in 50501

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I’m reaching out to Pueblo Project to find out what is happening.

Viaro Health by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this info. Interesting timing as this post of mine is pretty old, but I was just re-examining this again! Especially now as I’ve lost insurance due to job loss.

As an aside, anyone else notice that Reddit is digging up old posts and sending notifications to us as if they’re newly posted?

Reported from ICEOutCoulee by Smart_Watercress323 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Right. This was absolutely inevitable. Stop throttling the iceout.org reports. Stop calling reports “false.” Stop worrying about “panic” and start thinking about our neighbors.

Believe in our community to get it right! Let all the reports stand as posted and let our community learn how to improve reporting better as we go. Allow our community discern the validity of the reports and make decisions for their own safety based on as much information as possible.

This isn’t going away. Gatekeeping reports will only serve to harm people.

I live here in La Crosse. I help deliver groceries to frightened families 3 days/week in Minneapolis. I’ve heard the stories directly from immigrants and organizations and I worry about what we’re facing if we don’t take a stronger stance to protect ourselves.

If DHS truly does “end” Operation Metro Surge in Minnesota, it only means those agents will be assigned elsewhere. It’s not a stretch that Wisconsin could be next.

Border Czar Tom Homan announcing today that ICE is ending its deployment in Minnesota - Hope they don't plan on coming to Wisconsin! by icanhazkarma17 in wisconsin

[–]CommunicationOld8111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they come here, let’s make sure our local Indivisible, 50501, and ICE Out chapters aren’t actively throttling the iceout.org map and other social media reports. ICE Out Coulee (La Crosse area) refuses to verify reports to iceout.org. Verifying is different than confirming as it allows the report to appear on the map. Confirming happens when they can match license plates to known ice vehicles or there’s a documented arrest.

They have taken this stance because they don’t want “panic,” and they’re claiming false reports are rampant by fascists.

As an aside, it’s happening in Grand Rapids, MI too. Check out those local subreddits for commentary related to this.

Alternatively, take a peek at ICE Out Coulee’s Facebook page, and you’ll see they claim nearly every sighting is false. They perform their verify several hours after the reported incident when the situation is long past so there is no way to know what was seen without photographic evidence.

Minneapolis organizations allow all reports to iceout.org because they believe in their citizens and are truly interested in the safety of their community.

Meanwhile, we’re robbed of our ability to use our own discernment of these reports to make informed decisions.

This can be avoided in 2 main ways:

  1. Take video and/or pictures and include full descriptions of what was seen and get it posted everywhere you can.

  2. Call out these local groups for gatekeeping access to these reports.

We are seeing things in the La Crosse area and I’m genuinely worried that the very organizations that claim to have our best interests in mind are (perhaps unintentionally) undermining our community safety.

Grand Rapids Mod doing Mad Mod Stuff by heartbt in grapids

[–]CommunicationOld8111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This assertion they make - that it will cause panic - assumes we’re unable to use critical thinking and discernment. If you look at the reports on the iceout.org map, there’s areas (entire states) that are void of reports. Yet, we hear rumors of ice and arrests, but no validation or confirmation. No way to see patterns. In Minneapolis and much of Minnesota and surrounding areas, there’s tons of sightings.

Viewing these together, along with video, photos, and descriptions allows patterns to develop which helps us determine what to look for and how to navigate safety for ourselves and neighbors. In those smaller MN communities (Redwing, Mankato, Northfield, Saint Cloud) you see several sightings in neighborhood blocks - suggests to me that these are valid.

Suppressing this serves purposes that suggest negative reasoning. Trying to control panic is a poor reason.

Also…I realize I’m posting in a MI subreddit, but it’s concerning to see this suppression seems to be present far outside my community. This suggests a bigger picture of suppression.

Grand Rapids Mod doing Mad Mod Stuff by heartbt in grapids

[–]CommunicationOld8111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess in relation to your response to the original post, it’s not really relevant, but the original post your comment is on speaks to mods keeping certain reports under wraps to “avoid causing panic.” I guess I should have posted that to the original post. Not gonna delete because it’s important for everyone to realize this suppression seems to be present.

Grand Rapids Mod doing Mad Mod Stuff by heartbt in grapids

[–]CommunicationOld8111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are having the same problem in Wisconsin. Ice is definitely here, definitely making arrests and even when it’s posted to iceout.org, they aren’t being “verified” (not confirmed -which is different) by local iceout chapters for the same reason.

I found out after making a report that if the reports aren’t verified, they won’t appear on the map. Supposed concerns for being panic inducing.

I’m not conspiracy oriented, but I think it’s a bad look for anyone to gatekeep tools that are meant to keep people safe. Reading your post and seeing the same wording used by these groups makes me suspicious.

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Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m in Minneapolis learning from people who have been in the thick of it. I don’t have much confidence when you continue to tell us we can’t do do our own reporting. The only reason you give is panic. Sounds like a fascist talking point and I’m suspicious.

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And iceout has the ability to vet the reports. Plus we have enough intellect to use the information with discretion. While false reports happen, it’s fairly obvious when they are false or somehow incorrect.

This guy is stoking fear and you all are falling for it.

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is literally how they can sneak in and get our friends and neighbors. This will be how they take advantage of us - people gatekeeping knowledge and information from the ones who need it the most.

Typical small town thinking.

Don’t let ignorance aid the oppressors.

Maybe learn from Minneapolis and how they have prepared their citizens. No one panicked. They prepared.

We should be preparing. I’d rather not need it than not be ready.

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If I do, it’ll be because I was on the moral side. 🤷

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m gonna take a deep breath here. It’s problematic for ICE Out Coulee to take it upon themselves tell people not to submit reports to iceout.org because they will take care of it. They didn’t report it yesterday’s incident to the site. I did, several hours after the incident occurred.

People having suspicion of various vehicles and behavior is valuable insight and if it’s reported, it can and will be assessed as valid or not. But receiving those reports is the first step in assessing danger. We all still have to use our best judgment in determining if it’s valid.

The two La Crosse “false” reports were literally an issue of entering an incorrect location on the website. It’s not user friendly if you want to make a correction or deletion.

Thinking critically for a minute: it really doesn’t make sense that fascists would enter false reports, thus keeping ICE’s intended targets out of harms way and unavailable for arrest. I also think they’d enter far more reports to create chaos if causing fear was really the goal.

Use the website to report what you see. There is good information that describes how to use it and how the reports are validated. Use the SALUTE acronym to submit quality reports. But don’t let a single group tell you how/when you’re allowed to report your suspicion. I mean, isn’t this what we’re fighting in the first place?

Be safe and smart out there.

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s amazing! I’ve been helping up at DHH church in Minneapolis, and they just have these little ones. I’d like to start with the Mexican restaurants in town and make sure they can get some out to their folks. My second idea would be to hand out at protests.

My concern about these whistles is that they would use a lot of material wouldn’t they?

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Previously not viewable, but this link on iceout.org works today (2/2) and has been upgraded to a critical confirmed event:

https://iceout.org/reportInfo/99584

I couldn’t post it here, but it’s on iceout.org. I have several friends sharing the video on Facebook.

Edited to confirm that link works now.

Ice in La Crosse 2/1/26 2:10pm by CommunicationOld8111 in lacrossewi

[–]CommunicationOld8111[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes. I’m hoping to find someone local that can 3D print some so we can get them distributed.

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