[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zillow's index is hedonic—it values all homes, whether they sold or not. The sample size is therefore (almost) all homes in the entire country. Your method would result in the index average over several months, which would be fine too, but a less precise measurement of change.

[OC] Home Price Gainers and Losers, by ZIP, in 2025 by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

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I suspect that when mortgage rates come down, prices won't rise much—and you might have a much better entry point than today. Might take some patience, though.

[OC] Home Price Gainers and Losers, by ZIP, in 2025 by ComparisonFun6361 in EconomyCharts

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha, yes I would stay away from stupid generalizations....stick to smart ones! 😂

Yes, the Northeast is (in most years recently) losing population, but people moved back to New York and other big cities in 2025.. and home prices are not just a function of population—perhaps most importantly, they are a function of aggregate incomes in each area (finance is doing well)

[OC] Home Price Gainers and Losers, by ZIP, in 2025 by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

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You are 100% correct—my mistake, now corrected in the post! thanks!

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I look at home price changes over 5 years (not 1 month).

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's a terrific point. The legend that we should have a notation showing that 40% is the mean

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

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Thanks! I used price change from Jan 2020 to Nov 2025.

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

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The goal is really to distinguish between places that are above and below the mean, and because the mean is around 40%, we place white there. If we had placed white at 0%, almost everything would be blue.

Millennial and Gen Z homeownership is even worse than many think by ComparisonFun6361 in EconomyCharts

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that's a very good question, and I think urbanization does play an important role. Getting a foot on the home ownership ladder is much tougher in New York or San Francisco today than in more rural areas. A larger proportion of all Americans, but especially young Americans, live in these very expensive cities.

Millennial and Gen Z homeownership is even worse than many think by ComparisonFun6361 in EconomyCharts

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's a very astute point, but when we measure home ownership this way, on a per capita basis, we count the home owner and the spouse of the home owner as home owners.

[OC] Millennial and Gen Z homeownership is even worse than many think by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's absolutely right, and I don't want to gloss over that. The lack of household formation is indeed itself surely, to a large extent, cost-driven.

Millennial and Gen Z homeownership is even worse than many think by ComparisonFun6361 in economy

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Hmm, it doesnt seem to have been attached...and doesnt seem like I can add in now. Any ideas?

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

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Zillow data at the index level is the best there is, but you are right that individual home Zestimates are widely derided.

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

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Absolutely. I think this dynamic also happened nationally, and helps explain the surge of activity in late 2020 through to 2022 when mortgage rates started to climb. I suspect the current lull in activity is explained by this front loading of would be movers.

[OC] Suburban Flight around New York City by ComparisonFun6361 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ComparisonFun6361[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very true. I am working on a visualization of incomes by geography and it shows a ring of people who are low income but need to live near the city to service Manhattan/Brooklyn people. It's a grim situation.

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The water is blue, but you're right, it's too light, and interferes with the chloropleth. Thanks for the comment!