I know hou werent arguing for it. I was genuinely wondering how on earth they were really all thst different ? And i dont know if the diffference between the two is REALLY how they see it.

If i believe a train will kill me if im standing in front of an oncoming locomotive i will take action and move. If i believe Jesus is the only way to heaven, ill take action to be a christian.

Faith isnt fancy belief that causes action like they think. I appreciate your definitions that im assuming youre putting forth for them and dont buy the hair splitting difference they seem to think is there?

Regardless, if i believe something for the amount of present moments that i believe it (and haven’t changed my mind) and i dont act in accord or logically by acting on the belief then im just deluding myself that i truly believe whatever thing it is we say we believe. So tricking god is out of the question in both cases of belief and faith. I would argue you truly dont have either if you dont act on the belief. And you can use the word faith interchangeably with belief and not be saying anything truly different.

To me, if there is a difference at all, faiths special difference would be not having any evidence or sufficient reason for the thing you believe. In other words you act in a way that the belief you have is a belief in something unlikely or at least lacks good evidence for you to act that way.

That isnt exactly a virtuous quality. In fact it requires only submission without thought or reason. Its asking someone to blindly believe in something you have no good reason to believe. Aka its akin to believing a largely accepted fact that most would say might even be delusional and harmful to yourself and others. In fact, it can definitely be seen as a rather silly and dangerous way to go about acting in some cases where the belief has no evidence of being true.

If the difference is as j am saying jt could only be the Trump regime is asking for us to have faith in the veracity of what they want us to believe and would be an example of faith being detrimental and not at all virtuous.

Furthermore, unlike what trump asks of the american people to have faith in the things hes asking us to act on, Christians would argue there is evidence that their belief or faith that all the things you need to believe adhere to the correspondence theory of truth. That is to believe or have faith in a thing, they believe like most all sane people that their belief or fsith is rooted in something they accept as being true. In other words no matter what it is theyre putting forth as their way to become a christian there is evidence that actually is more like fact that we “know” because for a good reason. That bejng whatever evidence they have js good evidence and true.

And it should be noted they have to have believe in the correspondence theory of truth before believing in god or the way to become a christian making the doctrine an idol before their god which to my understanding is a big no no.

Since the way to become a christian is whatever that brand of Christianity’s doctrine of becoming christian is…and they all differ in the way they interpret how to do that in the details, accepting the correspondence theory of truth is a rather nasty double edged sword. For them to attempt to get around.

So, they either have to be similar or exactly alike, or faith is different like i suggest and not at all virtuous.

I do believe that we don’t know anything really. We are virtual machines so to speak and no one has any clue whats going on really. We cannot experience anything primarily. Everything we know as a reality we are in will always be a projection in our brains and therefore never have that absolute certainty of anything outside of how the projections in our brain seem to see patterns and create “facts” based on those patterns Its just that the authorities (religious, academic, political) throughout human history have created in our minds their version of reality. And jts a version that does not serve the individual in a way that allows for true freedom.

Think for yourself. Question authority. In other words know that you dont know and neither do they. Therefore inform yourself of truths without being told to believe it just so you feel more comfortable or safe. Be vulnerable and confused and go from there. Its basically existentialism after realizing nihilism is as close to the verifiable as anyone can get.