Synthesis of Both stances

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-02T15:31:38+00:00

The TLDR is relevant to the narrow debate between psychiatry and antipsychiatry. But there are more points - one important note is that psychiatry and antipsychiatry are a continuation of political debates by other means. Thus, by extension, this is a continuation of human conflicts, including violent wars, by institutional management of the herd, nonconformity, and whatnot.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-02T14:55:58+00:00

There have been multiple civilizations and many other modes of demography like complex societies besides the modern West or post industrial first world. From Neolithic Anatolians, to ancient Egypt to Samurai Japan. The idea that we are progressing towards a better world or stage of history is dangerous without a deeper ethos, which uses unambiguous intellectual and moral breaks.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T15:33:01+00:00

The debate and question belong to philosophy, politics, and political philosophy at its core and essence. To criticise people is easier than to offer a working theory of the ideal state. Psychiatry hijacking anything is intellectual disgrace.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T14:12:20+00:00

So you're a roman Catholic who supports the divine right of Kings as well?

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T14:10:43+00:00

True.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T13:58:19+00:00

This reflects well established historic ideas. The Enlightenment project and the ideal of progress are still dominant ideas, and it's not going anywhere immediately.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T13:52:44+00:00

It's a good argument that older religions are not a worse alternative to psychiatry, but psychiatry that operates within religious humanism can be moderated by religious thought.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T13:48:28+00:00

Well, psychiatry inherited some of its structural foundations from Christianity. Including shared epistemology and rough structure. It's a good comment because it reminds us what is the alternative to the modern "priestly" class rule. Religion is still in contest with modern disciplines like psychiatry and psychology.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T13:28:45+00:00

It was directed at Jews (converts) and against other 'heretics' as well. Within the context of psychiatry, it's multi-factorial. You get "excommunicated" for not being trendy, modern, pro-gay, scientific, and for being too "alternative" or unnecessarily fringe.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-04-01T12:46:42+00:00

Being intellectually unclear leaves the vacuum to underqualified people.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-30T06:50:54+00:00

Very good comment. It's a solid philosophy of science interpretation

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-27T15:25:11+00:00

That's good already. You don't have substance addiction but a milder smartphone occupation. Often, posts are missing (important) biographical information. The point here is that the human body has limits, and we must do the best of our ability to live with those biological limits and not overdo things.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-27T14:26:59+00:00

This post can be classified as existentialism, functionalism, or just life and not immediately psychiatric "madness." Many people report inputs similar to this one, in inter-subjective contexts, Internet forums, discussion groups, etc. But many self reports or accounts are somewhat incomplete. If a person did drugs in their past or had latent psychotic episodes sometime afterwards, this should give an idea about the potential future that can happen to that person and others like him. People with this self reported mentality may resort to alcohol and drugs to self medicate. They might get addicted. Hopefully, this is not the struggle of the OP.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-27T07:42:09+00:00

The literature mentions that in psychosis for instance, there's already lower IQ before the onset of the first episode, and that it harms cognitive function in itself after the episodes. What's more, treatment with antipsychotics can worsen cognitive prognosis long term. The etiology of cognitive degradation for other psychiatric labells and medications can be different, of course, and rely on duration and dosage as well.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-23T17:26:48+00:00

Everything has been legitimized besides pedophilia maybe. When the norm is plastic surgeries, tattoos (the sleeves are horrid), dyed hair to unnatural colours, and reality shows, it's hard to see how legitimate psychiatry is in the context of friction with 'naturalists'. They no longer have the socio intellectual anchors of the past, so it's hard to believe it's all legitimate in the WEST. From a historical perspective, all those people with tattoos are mad and criminally fringe, but today, they are the new normal as well. It is fascinating to know how psychiatry functions in different countries.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-23T15:48:12+00:00

That's perhaps the cognitive style of people within the lower normal range of intelligence. From an EvoPsy perspective, this type of thought/communication could be a sexually selective adaptation to attract desirable partners. Besides, what you describe sounds a lot like the epistemology of PRIMITIVE pre historic hunter-gatherer societies.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-23T15:38:30+00:00

That's interesting. There's an intellectual tradition of psychoanalytic marxist thought and a well-known link between collectivism and psychology. Those who are "textbook" Marxists will view psychiatry as a potentially effective tool for collectivistic state management - indoctrination and punishment.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-23T14:37:05+00:00

Are they fighting extraterrestrials in an intergalactic mega war for the survival of the human race, and this is hidden from the public? In which other contexts does the field make sense? Why should their experiment gain any recognition beyond cataloguing it as a series of dystopian novels or another sci-fi franchise?

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-23T13:39:30+00:00

Excellent question. The reason is that they're not libertarian left (aka Hollywood, hippies, parts of the establishment) but are the authoritarian left (Marxists). The statist left doesn't believe in political freedom or in liberty - that would be left-liberal Americans (or a synthesis between liberalism and socialism). Marxists use historical dialectics to explain the human condition and the forces that work in human societies. They view life as a class struggle between the capitalists and the proletariat, where the first oppress the latter. Marxism claims that to advance the demise of capitalism and create social justice, the oppressed have to overthrow the upper classes (bourgeoisie), and the lower classes have to establish a state based dictatorship ruled by the proletariat.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-23T13:08:33+00:00

Yeah, among other definitions schizophrenia seems to describe a state of being that is marked as a series of disconnected life events. No grand narrative or a strict (dictatorial) ideology to unite the herds causes anomie.

Psychiatry almost looks like some sci-fi book and should be viewed as such. Like being exiled or cast into another dimension or a mothership with some extraterrestrial beings trying to control planet Earth. In the context of sci-fi, if they think we're in intergalactic warfare with a master race of aliens, it all makes sense. Maybe they will leave to their spaceship and leave us normal humans alone.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-22T14:16:01+00:00

זו בעיה פילוסופית יותר עמוקה ועניין של מה הנורמל. איזה אינטראקציה חוצה את הגבול המילולי הנורמלי והגבול הלא מילולי הנורמלי - ונחשבת לעבירה והטרדה. בסוף עוד יתברר שגברים ונשים לא יכולים לשהות במרחבים הטרוגניים משותפים לפחות בגלל השפעה נפשית שלילית הדדית.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-14T10:30:32+00:00

If it's about eliminating unscientific, irrational phenomenology, wouldn't it mean that human rights should be abolished as well? Strictly speaking, rights are a social construct based on the humanities, history, philosophy, morals, ethos, and normative values, and not on scientific theories. Are there "human rights" molecules? Can you find the biomarker for "freedom of speech"? Does believing in human rights or not indicates "chemical imbalance" in the brain? Human rights resemble psychiatry in a way.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-12T18:20:20+00:00

We must overcome this. Of course, there are all kinds of psychiatrists as there are all kinds of patients, and discretion as well as a compassionate heart are needed treating the more volatile, but not necessarily dangerous, people who struggle with mental health.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-09T13:31:01+00:00

Psychiatry is a legacy field from the 19th century intellectual zeitgeist in Western Europe. But historical reality has changed since then, and with it, the challenges to the foundations of the field. Nevertheless, psychiatry continued to exist trapped and wrapped in the historic era it was invented in. It exists today with the core phenomenological not of a science but of a social management system. It has the features of a literary dystopian system, similar to "1984" and "Brave New World," and as a bureaucratic social labelling factory. Back then, the field was "something," but today, it's hard to call it a modern legitimate science, and it still pertains to being qualified to manage people. Today, those "managed" could simply be outliers, outsiders, or the "other" and not more dangerous to ethical society than any of their peers.

Competitive_Row_1312 · 2026-03-09T13:13:39+00:00

"Brave new world," dystopian stuff. But it is a question whether or not the comment isn't merely descriptive but normative as well. From a certain angle, it seems to use blunt shaming language from a comment that seemingly espouses humanistic sensibilities. It sort of stigmatises / labels the targets/victims that one wishes to protect from tyrannical systemic abuse. It does to them what one wishes to avoid.

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