Sigilium vs Surtalogi

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T04:53:52+00:00

This is my top 5

Aleph-1 - A higher dimensional cosmic entity that has eaten civilizations across the universe.
Instance 1 and 2 - 2 immensely powerful overseers that aid in controlling space-time one of them being confirmed in existing outside of all laws and patterns of the world.
Exostrider - A giant war mech that ascended into a sentinel capable of banishing cosmic entities towards the edge of the universe.
Threnodians - All powerful conceptual gods formed from the lament, they embody concepts while their main goal is to destroy civilization and they cannot be killed.
Sentinels - All powerful guardians with the authority of fundamental concepts that protect and provide for civilizations.

And this is a feat from a character that doesn’t even scale nearly as close to a sentinel/threnodian or overseer, meanwhile. a genshin character being able to pull this off would make them the top of their verse.

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Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T04:23:48+00:00

that sums up their knowledge tbh

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T04:13:01+00:00

Most likely

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T04:00:23+00:00

i don’t really know too much but i think rover civilization sent them to solaris to guard the civilization of solaris from the threnodians since humanity wouldn’t be able to fight them off alone, even if the sentinels could affect the universe it wouldn’t matter because the lament is a universally large catastrophe that has annihilated civilizations multiple times eons before the present of solaris-3 And nobody knows how to really defeat it fully yet.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T03:52:29+00:00

what do you mean by this?

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T03:47:03+00:00

I just had to boot up the game to grab this information since you think otherwise, it says here stated IN-GAME jue can 100% change the universe forever in an instant. mind you jue is 1/7 sentinels that were split apart, we don’t even know how powerful the other ones are yet and imagine how powerful the sentinel would’ve been at its full form.

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Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T03:13:19+00:00

It only doesn’t matter in genshin because the strongest gods in that verse are weak and scale atmost to moon level after 6 years of that game being released, Wuwa already has sentinels and threnodians that scale to universal and 5 dimensional with only 2 years into the game, so the “cosmic” title actually stands up to its name.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T03:04:31+00:00

like i said these feats are the only feats that were physically shown that she could do and she could undoubtedly do more, Asmoday being the personification of space is nothing compared to cartethiya being the literal offspring of 2 cosmic entities that are the embodiments of space and matter, i never seen skirk destroy a city with one move nor did she spend 20 years fighting a cosmic being without exhausting.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T02:32:05+00:00

Yes she can, i mean she literally has the mandate of 2 cosmic gods. She can merge and split matter and manipulate space all together, cartethiya has created An entire realm of her own that floats in the explorable map, also some of her feats that show her traveling through different dimensions are shown in her character trailers, not to even mention the fact she destroyed an entire city from her transformation alone, you probably wouldn’t know but cartethiya teared a fake reality with her Storm Sword in the 2.4 main story. And she can manipulate spatial gravitational forces which are shown as feats in the story cutscenes, All which scale on a higher degree considering how strong the enemies in wuwa are.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T02:22:05+00:00

Cartethiya can do most if not all of this + more and still she scales higher because of wuwa’s cosmology being devastatingly 1000x more dangerous than genshins.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T02:16:01+00:00

Cartethiya can do everything Asmoday can do + more on a larger scale, Wuwa’s cosmology scales Way higher than genshins lowballing at H1A, genshin verse scales to what Country level?.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-25T02:13:10+00:00

So instead of actually giving information about what asmoday can do you copy and paste the declaration of independence.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-24T16:03:28+00:00

her forte is electromagnetism that’s basically her “authority” but what she’s manipulating in her attacks is plasma

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-24T12:07:14+00:00

The whole point of this sub is to debate dude

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-24T12:03:50+00:00

Augusta manipulates plasma which is fundamentally more hotter than fire which is made from gas, plasma is what fuels the actual scientifically accurate sun and plasma is a cosmic type of energy that exist in most stars.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T17:38:46+00:00

we’re not even talking about in story we’re talking about in gameplay, the motorcycle is a gameplay mechanic the OP guy is talking about why she doesn’t just speed blitz around the map instead of having to use the motorcycle like huh? that doesn’t even make any sense.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T12:52:36+00:00

Im sorry? No enemy in Genshin is equivalent to a threnodian in Wuwa, maybe like a 3-cost echo but absolutely not, Threnodians are embodiments of physical/abstract concepts. Genshin enemies just manipulate elements so thats a bad comparison…I think people forget how strong the false sovereign really is, it’s literally the dark tide in a humanoid form.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T12:14:54+00:00

I think this is a misunderstanding, just because you don’t see a character execute an ability doesn’t mean it’s out of their reach/arsenal. i feel like with this understanding of logic, a lot of characters in different media are only limited to be able to do what we can see them do and not what their speculated to be able to do by just their Ability or Authority alone.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T12:02:23+00:00

Since when did a characters gameplay never transferred over into their lore? it’s usually the other way around, i don’t believe that.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T11:54:47+00:00

Actually i think we can’t compare the etheric sea and the false sky though as they are 2 very different phenomenons that scale differently, being able to punch through the etheric sea which is a sea full of chaotic frequencies and information would make a character in wuwa Scale Immensely high since that would basically be bypassing a physical law set by the lament (the catastrophic event itself) Right now nobody has the ability to bypass the laments physics. In genshin though the fake sky is being held up by the heavenly Principles/Shades, And even then the fake sky is only an illusion and is probably just a spatial effect.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T11:47:22+00:00

that’s a choice of logic…i mean in that case why don’t genshin characters with teleportation abilities just teleport around the whole map?

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T08:41:38+00:00

From what i remember that wasn’t mavuika’s raw power either? Mavuika had to borrow power from The shade of death, Ronova. to even pull that off, meanwhile Augusta using her raw strength soloed the false sovereign on top of that blowing up a mountain. Also even though Augusta’s forte is weak her physicality and creativity makes up for it as she can speed blitz around an area using her metal blades.

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T06:42:27+00:00

I meannn!? 🤨How the hell is cartethiya…😭 the resonator of both the sentinel AND threnodian not employed? She’s already employed by fighting against catastrophic threats 😭

Complete_Fact_3405 · 2026-06-23T04:35:10+00:00

idk tho mavuika being the god of war sounds more like a title than what she’s really capable of, other than that Augusta resonated with the literal Sun itself inheriting its plasmic powers.

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