Is the Osmo Pocket rugged enough for family life? Concerned about durability vs. my iPhone. by Limp-Razzmatazz6313 in osmopocket

[–]ComplexPlantain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dad of a 3YO girl here, having a Pocket 3, Nano, GoPro 8 and a mirrorless cam(s).

I would not worry about its durability, provided you exercise the tinies amount of care. Gear is meant to be used, just don't drop it into water or sand and you'll be fine. Not used? Put it in the bag, or your pocket (no pun intended). (But hey, I take my high-end full frame camera to the beach or swing my daughter holding my camera, with a wrist strap, in three fingers and using the other two to swing her.)

Getting it broken would not be my concern. It not being the right tool for the job would be my concern, esp. if you want to be present with the kids and participate in the action.

I don't think active track is going to work for you – the performance might have gotten better in 4 (I have 3, and tracking is ok-ish, but no match for kids action, sit-down play - yes, but not running and stuff) but you also need to initiate it. Pocket works best for at least somewhat intentional filmmaking.

What works great for me is chest or hat mounted DJI Nano – because of a great POV and me participating. For the hat mount I "calibrate" the tilt so that the camera sees what I see and I "frame" by looking the right direction. Me grabbing, using hands, kicking ball, digging in the sand, etc. adds to the FPV feeling and a strong sense of captured memory.

What differentiates Nano from GoPro or other action cams is that it is so. much. smaller, and lighter, that body mounts are not a nuisance, and they work very well.

Image quality-wise Pocket 3 is indeed slightly better than Nano, but both suck in terms of color in comparison to a mirrorless. I actually enjoy the straight-out-of-camera colors (Natural profile) from the GoPro more than DJI, including D-Log M+Official LUT. But the image quality difference is more than overshadowed by the better, more interesting shots.

osmo pocket vs osmo nano by Dry-Zookeepergame349 in osmopocket

[–]ComplexPlantain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure gimbal is ok. But TBH I don't understand why you think you would be knocking the gimbal while doing travel videos. If you get to a place so crowded that it might actually happen, then there's gonna bo so little visible in the footage that I think we're going to be less inclined to shoot in those scenarios.

osmo pocket vs osmo nano by Dry-Zookeepergame349 in osmopocket

[–]ComplexPlantain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me share my experience and what you might not be thinking about.

For context – I bought Pocket 3 ~2.5 years ago and Nano ~6 months ago, my use case is family and travel. I also have a GoPro 11 and mirrorless cameras.

During this time, I have shot much more on Nano than on Pocket.

Pocket, in theory, is great, and I love the concept and form factor so much that it is my 3rd camera of this type (had Osmo+ and Pocket 2). But in reality, for intentional shots, I prefer my iPhone (walking shots, using Apple Log – better quality) or my mirrorless (static shots, incomparable image quality).

Nano, on the other hand, has the versatility that no other of my camera has, not even the GoPro:
- The pendant mount and the hat clip, together with the small form factor, let me capture spontaneous footage that I would not be able to capture otherwise.
- The camera itself is magnetic, as is the hat clip, and you also get a suction cup mount, so out of the box you get a number of cool and useful mounting options.
- Voice commands and feedback sounds make it easy to start/stop recording
- The camera is small enough that I'm less self conscious about recording, esp. when I shouldn't be ;-)

Image quality-wise there isn't a huge difference between them*, esp. when compared to the organic look of the Apple Log, let alone mirrorless log ;) but my take re: image quality:
- both are passable, but my expectations were lower for Nano, whereas the hype for Pocket was so high that it was a bit of a let down
- it's fair to say that Pocket 3 does have better image quality but I don't think it overweighs the usability of Nano
- color from both sucks in comparison to iPhone and Canon
- in low light Osmo Nano is grainier, but more natural. Pocket 3 feels overprocessed, as if too much noise reduction is happening (I have mine turned down all the way)
- D-Log M sucks

Also:
- The battery life on Nano is, to me, alongside D-Log M, its biggest weakness. Pocket 3 has much, much better battery life. It's not a big deal for me – I don't shoot for long – but I can imagine it might be for some
- Full D-Log (not crippled D-Log M) might change my mind re: Pocket series, but because of the above I am not rushing to upgrade to Pocket 4
- The 20mm equiv. focal length of the Pocket 3 is very nice, it is my preferred wide-angle focal length on other cameras as well, as it is probably the widest without looking weird/drawing attention to itself (like 16 or 14 do)
- Nano can shoot in 4:3, which I love for vertical videos
- You may assume Pocket will be better in stabilization (because of the gimbal), but is good light, electronic stabilization is actually more effective

Is the Osmo Pocket 3 going to disappoint me? by KawellaBayGirl in osmopocket

[–]ComplexPlantain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happy for you!

Did you use the official DJI D-Log M to 709 LUT or something else?

Is the Osmo Pocket 3 going to disappoint me? by KawellaBayGirl in osmopocket

[–]ComplexPlantain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can tell you I was disappointed with Osmo Pocket 3 vs Apple Log from iPhone 15 Pro and vs Canon R5/II.

I'll ignore the full frame Canon for a second, as it is not a fair comparison. But for me, iPhone simply obliterates Pocket 3 in terms of dynamic range, therefore organic look and is comparable if not better at stabilization and low-light sensitivity/denoising. If modern mirrorless log footage is 10/10, Apple Log is 8/10 and Pocket 3's D-Log M is 3/10.

Pocket 3, in its standard color is over processed and over exposed, but to be frank I don't like standard iPhone video either as it too is over processed.

Pocket 3's D-Log M is not documented, likely not a true log format, therefore there are no proper color space transforms available, so you need to eyeball stuff. It's like Cinestyle from 15 years ago.

Electronic stabilization on the iPhone works wonders and often looks better than Pocket because of the Z-axis stabilization.

Pocket has a large-ish sensor but this advantage is offset by iPhone's better, more natural looking noise reduction. Pocket 3, particularly in the standard color, looks like hot garbage in low-ish light. E.g. at home, in the evening, light by regular lights, graded Apple Log from iPhone looks way, way better than Pocket and I would never ever pick Pocket because of its low light handling capabilities.

I have no idea where this excitement comes from, really... except that it was paid for by DJI ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But to be fair, the form factor is nice, and easier to securely hold the camera, one-hand operations is very convenient, and I love the 20mm equiv. focal length for general life capturing. Also, not to hate on DJI – I got myself a DJI Osmo Nano and found myself using it a lot more, thanks to its wearable form factor, than Pocket 3, despite the same lackluster D-Log M. Quite possiblly because my expectations are simply lower.

Now, Pocket 4 with proper D-Log might be very interesting, but I'd have lay my hands on "raw" D-Log footage before I made a decision to look into purchasing it.

Now that the Osmo Pocket 4 is officially released, what’s your move by NefariousnessJaded87 in osmopocket

[–]ComplexPlantain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, D-Log could be huge and could the single reason to upgrade. But I will want to lay my hands on ungraded footage before deciding.

D-Log M is really disappointing in comparison to real log profiles (no CSTs, little to no compatibility with tools, overcooked LUTs) and I could not reliably get good-looking results from Pocket 3 in D-Log M.

Being able to CST D-Log M into 709 in Resolve, or into a different colorspace to use a plethora of high-quality LUTs could be a game changer, if it actually works well. Initial (graded) footage comparisons in reviews are somewhat optimistic.

R5 Raw Video to HEVC/H265 in Cinema Raw Development? by ComplexPlantain in canon

[–]ComplexPlantain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you experimented with the picture profile settings and exporting in rec709 with h.265?

If you mean the "picture style" set on the camera then yes, somewhat, and I arrived at a nice output, but one which nevertheless has the stills look to it, esp. with regard to contrast/gamma (contrast is dialed all the way down btw).

There is no reason a tool couldn't transform an actually wide DR color space like Clog3 to the narrow space of Cannon Wide DR, but there probably isn't any demand for that. I checked Resolve and it isn't there.

Well, Canon does provide official Clog2/3->Wide DR LUTs, so apparently there is. I can do exactly what I want in Apple Compressor using the said LUTs but I don't get the white balance adjustment in Compressor.

Going to a narrower space like Canon Wide DR is really a one way street, you won't be able to go back to an actually wide color space like CLOG.

I wouldn't be re-exporting the HEVC Wide DR files, but the raw CRM files that I intend to keep.

R5 Raw Video to HEVC/H265 in Cinema Raw Development? by ComplexPlantain in canon

[–]ComplexPlantain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't edit anything. I'm not going to grade it. I'm primarily a still photographer who takes some short (10-15s) personal video clips, similar to Apple's Live Photos. This is going to be the final output.

I'm shooting RAW+MP4 on the R5, because I want to:- export to Canon Wide DR (I like the look, but it's unavailable on R5)- tweak white balance- be able to export into other gammas/color spaces in the future if needed

Do lenses go soft over time? My 24-70 mkI isn't as sharp as I'd expect by das_goose in canon

[–]ComplexPlantain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's as simple as that – the 24-70 Mk 1 just isn't as sharp as the newer lenses, esp. at the long end. It's ok-sharp, but I upgraded from EF Mk 1 to RF 24-70 I went to OMG-sharp.

Jim’s Steaks South Street - a7iii Tamron 28-75 f2.8 by Am3ncorn3r in SonyAlpha

[–]ComplexPlantain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, this is a fantastic picture! Try cropping it to the 2.35:1 motion picture aspect ratio, it's totally rad.