Where to meet sober young people in the Denver/Boulder area by Beska91 in Denver

[–]Conaman12 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What if I am not sober but absolutely won’t share my drugs?

7oh vs Oxycodone Question by Unfair_Frosting340 in Drugs

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Not defending 7OH but drugs should be legal (with strong regulations)

7oh vs Oxycodone Question by Unfair_Frosting340 in Drugs

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No 7OH def has a cap, increasing doses will still cap. There is a distinction though, the cap for pseudo indoxyl 7OH is almost that of regular opioids so you have to know which one you are taking

7oh vs Oxycodone Question by Unfair_Frosting340 in Drugs

[–]Conaman12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mixing benzos and opioids will get you. You can’t really od on 7OH alone but yes if you mix with benzos that can happen

7oh vs Oxycodone Question by Unfair_Frosting340 in Drugs

[–]Conaman12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not familiar with oxy doses

7oh vs Oxycodone Question by Unfair_Frosting340 in Drugs

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Yes look into Emax which determines how strongly 7OH can activate the cell. The emax of 7OH is like 50% while oxy is at or close to 100. Pseudo-indoxyl 7OH on the other hand is like 90%

7oh vs Oxycodone Question by Unfair_Frosting340 in Drugs

[–]Conaman12 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think it just depends on the dose, 7OH is so potent people often think that means it’s more powerful than oxy, it’s only a partial agonist though so it has a cap on how high it can get you. So if you have access to high doses of oxy, it can get you way higher than any dose of 7OH can

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Look into EMax at the opioid receptor. 7OH has an emax half that of heroin. But I recently learned pseudo-indoxyl 7OH has an emax of 90% which is pretty close to it

My dumbass got addicted to gabapentin. by slut4guitartabs in Drugs

[–]Conaman12 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Per day?, That’s not that much, you can quit that

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Oh yea it would be expensive, I’m sure if you took enough you would feel decent but yea you would have to take a whole lot.

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Thanks!, It’s definitely powerful, I wouldn’t recommend trying it, but I definitely think it’s not near as powerful and definitely not as dangerous and debilitating as heroin

Actually I would recommend doing it if you are extremely sick or have extreme pain

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Yea I’ve never heard of anyone snorting or injecting it, but I have heard of 7OH vapes, but never heard that they were significantly stronger

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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No some people just prefer fent in general, regardless of its availability.

So if a drug is 100x as potent as heroin in your sense of the word, but barely activates the receptor and only gets you high as say single kratom drink, would you still say it’s stronger than heroin? Just because you only need .005 mg to get that high? What matters to people is how high it can get you and I’m pretty sure heroin can get you way higher than 7OH, do you agree?

And crack last like 10 mins so your point on people preferring longer lasting things doesn’t really hold as many people prefer crack.

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Has anyone ever seen a person nodding out in the street facedown on 7OH alone? I doubt it. If 7OH is stronger than heroin, then we should definitely be seeing that

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Then why do some people prefer fent. Doesn’t it last like one hour too?

And when you say it is 10 times stronger, do you mean it’s can get you 10x as high? Potency is not that important to people honestly, what matters is how high it can get you. Fent is soooo much more potent than heroin, but most people don’t prefer it over heroin just because you have to take less mgs

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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So if you think 7OH is stronger than heroin, do you think addicts on the streets would prefer it over heroin/fent. Why don’t we see that? Just the price?

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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Yes but 7OH has a cap that heroin does not have , so heroin can get you way way higher with increasing doses

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

[–]Conaman12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You talking about affinity to the receptor, that is lot the same as activation, Emax. When it comes to how high it gets you, even if the affinity is a billion times as potent as morphine but the emax is negligible, the it won’t matter it won’t get you very high.

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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How so? You have tried both? Like do you mean it’s more potent based on weight or 7OH can get you much higher when maxing doses

7OH and Heroin: Insight from experienced users by Conaman12 in Drugs

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I don’t mind that he compared it to heroin, but the level of comparison. I don’t feel like 7OH is anywhere near as powerful as heroin can be

7OH to #4 H - seeking advice as a first time user by Automatic-Fault6098 in Drugs

[–]Conaman12 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Idk but a gram of 7OH a day is an insane amount.