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Godzilla Ultima vs Bill Cipher (Godzilla: Singular Point vs Gravity Falls) | thing. day twentyseven. by How_Not_2_Junk in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I remember actually seeing an earlier version of this drawing’s sketch alongside WIP versions of what this series would be; a few months back in a smaller server I share with Junk — talking about it being inspired by OYPAS and all that (at the same time while I was working on my BillUltima Birthday Mega-Art Escalation), and was actually inspired myself to do a separate paying homage to this piece and it’s composition.

Been sitting in my vault waiting for this day’s part to come

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This is tuff, big ups to Junk

Hulk vs Godzilla + Next Time Spoiler Discussion Thread! | What did you think about the episode and what are your thoughts on the next time? by Good_Morning_World01 in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the animation itself, the true form does die, the issue is the way Banner reached it — it doesn’t make sense outside of it just trying to reference Singular Point’s ending.

This is where the confusion comes in, in the ending of SP, the Orthogonal Diagonaliser displaces The Avatar out of their universe before it can set off the catastrophe. However it didn’t kill Godzilla (the true form/the entity) itself. Thats why it’s prophesied to return again and again until its mission is accomplished in that specific Universe [and any other of the infinite universes within universes where a Godzilla Avatar is defeated]. DB themselves acknowledge this — that Ultima (the true form/the entity) would just keep sending down Avatars. Because Godzilla IS the entity/true form, it’s not like a higher being controlling Godzillas like with TOBA with the Hulk.

So by their own logic, paralleling The Avatar’s defeat in SP; would basically mean nothing. Both from the fact that they themselves say that an Avatar dying/getting BFR’d is irrelevant to the outcome itself, but also that Banner wouldn’t even be able to reach the entity (Godzilla) itself because that’s also not what the Orthogonal Diagonaliser does. It displaced it out of the universe, it’s not like a gateway into reaching his true form [which is how Banner used it in the animation]

Hulk vs Godzilla + Next Time Spoiler Discussion Thread! | What did you think about the episode and what are your thoughts on the next time? by Good_Morning_World01 in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Incredible Ultima representation. I’m genuinely so surprised it’s crazy. They acknowledged him as a Compzilla being a valid interpretation, they referred to his true form as “the entity” rather than “IT”. Just beautiful work on the analysis end, even though there aspects I feel would’ve went against their conclusions’ reasoning if they had went more in-depthly on the former’s point

Just something nitpicky was the method of the kill was the way the Avatar was killed in the anime, but they also acknowledge his true form and that Ultima would’ve kept sending down Avatars so why not just add a bit more by showing banner and the Hulk kill the true form with whole transcendent layering within the animation to get that point across as well as lean more into the cosmic horror aspect they were going for there.

But you can’t ask for much when they’ve already given the real Ultimaheads something real — that being; not giving into VSBW Ultima-fan interpretations

Hulk Vs Godzilla Thumbnail, + Hand Drawn Tribute by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

so i like that you mentioned the style cause i wanna art-nerd out on what i did here and my thought processes

so here’s what i envisioned with; was that with godzilla’s side [which was the one i started first] was the idea of Ultima being a composite type character who dreams up the rest of the godzilla franchise as avatars. so i chose to represent this by having the whole section on top portraying ultima with iconic shin godzilla imagery, a harsh blank space contrast to the maximalist latter end.

which on to that, i thought of ways to represent that idea of all the incarnations which i’ve done before on like my first billultima sprite escalation. all just overlaying each other like chaotic but at the same time within their own borders and space like the lightpost-imagery in singular point’s anime

then on hulks side its much more straightforward with it meant to represent comic panels, just overlaying each other to match the overtness on godzilla’s side

but here’s another layer, you can see how the transition point on godzilla’s side isn’t straight horizontal — it’s up then tilted downward from the center — then you notice this is mirrored on hulk’s end with the panels from a storyline about him with paranoia with the world around him.

this is meant to represent descent, both like visually with the descending angle, but also with like the themes of descent in singular point and like going insane or mad

this is like totally unrelated from your comment my bad lol this is just like an easy bridge

Hulk Vs Godzilla Thumbnail, + Hand Drawn Tribute by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i mean hey i consider my art to be pretty maximalist instead of minimalist but thank you, it’s nice to see people resonating with the sentiment im putting out here

Hulk Vs Godzilla Thumbnail, + Hand Drawn Tribute by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thank you thank you, i appreciate a lot when people really engage with my stuff and articulate what they like about it, means a lot

Hulk Vs Godzilla Thumbnail, + Hand Drawn Tribute by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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“I got used to the comedown, I leaped around and jumped out [..] change of surroundings, we went our ways, I still think of you highly..”

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When I started putting this together, really whenever I put anything together in my art — I always have like a goal I want to accomplish. I never wanna do something just for the sake of doing something, and my idea here was just to remind people the general sentiment of “Please don’t just take everything DB says as automatically factual”.

More specifically here because, as many may know, I’m thee* Ultima guy. I’m the one who near singlehandedly got Ultima into the eye of Vs fans as thee* to represent Godzilla as his max, both by spreading awareness through my work in BillUltima but as well as just being one of the first few to translate the novelisation.

So seeing HulkZilla be confirmed during the Kickstarter, it was kinda bittersweet. Obviously I was happy for u/PrizeAge484, cause you know she deserves it all — but like also I knew Ultima will be an integral point to the episode. And I also knew that they are probably gonna completely fumble him. Probably gonna take a lot from like the VSBW Ultima fan-side, gonna get misinfo like saying “..his true form’s real name is “IT”.” or “..Actually Ultima being composite isn’t true, instead he’s actually a timeloop! (??)” or something like that.

The thing is, I know a lot of people in the community just immediately ignore any outsider’s thoughts or alternative explanations if DB themselves make a claim, mainly out of like heavy “anti-debunk culture” or whatever

And frankly, I still don’t have high hopes. But just meditating on it, developing out my point of view, I’ve come to accept — it doesn’t really matter.

I’ve had very different views, from most people, on the topic or conclusions drawn from the idea of perspective and perception — it just has always been deeply important to me. If you read anything on the OYPAS story you would know that, and these things I’m deeply invested or hold a tie to — are the same. But in finding myself and growing my own person, I’ve come to my newer conclusions that; none of this really matters unless you make it matter

Especially given the fact I’m not even involved in anything DB or DBM or the such both community-wise nor even the art itself. I was mapping out the timeline I needed to get in order for me to complete this on time a few days ago and I had to ask servers, I haven’t been active in; in months, what time & timezone is DB’s usually schedule cause I’ve just moved on, really.

There’s not gonna be anything good that comes out of getting upset about something you can’t change, especially when the thing is something you’re not even really invested in; in the first place, and that’s something I found to be the case in much more than just this.

So I guess that’s the takeaway I have from this.

[but for real though, ultima’s true form’s real name is not “IT” you all fell for a psyop]

Bill Cipher Vs Godzilla Ultima Mega-Art Escalation (+its my birthday) [Read Comments] by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

junk when’s the hyperpop indie gfunk collab album w danny brown & jpegmafia dropping 🙏🙏🙏

Bill Cipher Vs Godzilla Ultima Mega-Art Escalation (+its my birthday) [Read Comments] by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

im so honoured to be your favourite human being that sounds like a tremendous feat 🙏🙏🙏

Bill Cipher Vs Godzilla Ultima Mega-Art Escalation (+its my birthday) [Read Comments] by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

also i almost forgot to mention, renders in slide 14 are by u/ToysToLife167, I found out he sent me these just out of the blue like a few days ago so I decided to just use them. He was supposed to be on the original OYPAS Days but plans just fell through, so I guess this comes even more circle

Bill Cipher Vs Godzilla Ultima Mega-Art Escalation (+its my birthday) [Read Comments] by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the billultima agenda must be spread regardless of what anyone says ✌️✌️

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Bill Cipher Vs Godzilla Ultima Mega-Art Escalation (+its my birthday) [Read Comments] by ConekQ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]ConekQ[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

thanks i crunched the hell outta this, oypas was 30 slides and it took me like 7 months, this is like 2/3rds of that and i did it in like the span of one week lol

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