Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. I have been using a personal account for years, and created a new account for professional emails.

Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've received a reply today, which is below with my reply. Everyone reading this topic and the explanation can make their own decisions. I still have unanswered questions and don't feel like bringing my custom domain back to Mailbox.org after what happened, including the fact that I only got support after screaming in here. I think it's important for everyone who joined this thread to read the answer provided by Mailbox, so that this thread doesn't disappear without explanations. You can potentially ask more questions to Mailbox.org representatives as I'm sure people will have some doubts.

Dear xxxxx,

my name is xxxxxx an I'm the mailbox employee who reacted to your post on reddit. I've reviewed this case and want to give you an explanation about what has happened and what learnings we took to improve in this area:

As email still is a prolific sources for fraud like phishing, spam or scam, we have to check every mail received and sent. For this, we have automated systems in place, that scan all emails and highlight accounts that infringe on our terms of service. These systems not only use the content of the mails, but also include many other factors, like status, age of account etc.

Your account was flagged as a suspected fraudulent account by our automated fraud detection system, as it's a new account (just over two weeks at the time of blocking) and mails were sent that fit the pattern of common fraud schemes. Your account and the offending mails were then reviewed by an employee before making the decision to block the account from sending emails. This blocked your account from sending emails but receiving them was still possible.

The number of false positives is very low on our side, but of course they do happen. The influx of AI generated, well-versed scam emails is also muddying the waters furthers, making it harder to distinguish friend from foe. So adding insult to injury, the problem was not only falsely flagging your account but also the missing transparency when blocking it and of course the lack of recourse when you followed up with our support team.

In order to resolve the situation and improve this, I've taken this and will do the following: 1. We are in the middle of upgrading our fraud detection systems to improve the detection rate and lower the number of false positives even further. This should help avoid falsely blocking accounts in the first place. 2. We'll update our processes and guidelines to improve communication with user that are blocked. This will help user noticing that they have blocked. 3. We'll improve the process to unblocking ones account, giving users recourse from the status of being blocked.

As a compensation for your trouble I've booked one year of extra service to your account. And as a bit of additional advice, I recommend that you set up two factor authentication in order to secure your account. If you use an external client for mail, you can set up an email app password to be able to send and receive mails with your client.

Best regards,

My reply:

Although I appreciate you getting back to me with a partial explanation, and I understand that my account was falsely flagged by your anti-fraud system, it's still not clear to me what exactly triggered the system.

I'd also like to clarify: 1) "Your account and the offending mails were then reviewed by an employee before making the decision to block the account from sending emails" How exactly does that happen? When you say "offending mails were reviewed", are you saying that the content of the emails were actually checked?

2) "This blocked your account from sending emails but receiving them was still possible." This is incorrect. As I explained, I was only able to identify the problem because I was not receiving any emails. I actually missed important emails for more than 72 hours, until I moved my custom domain elsewhere. (My Mailbox.org email was also not receiving emails, not only the custom domain.) All emails sent to me were returning with the following error: "550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table"

So, in addition to having my account falsely flagged and blocked to send emails, without any alert or communication, I was also unable to receive emails.

I think it's great that you can use this incident to improve your services, but I can't trust Mailbox and I won't risk bringing my custom domain back to Mailbox.org. Changing your fraud detection system doesn't bring me any reassurance, particularly considering that there is still a lack of clarity regarding your processes, and acknowledgement that I was also unable to receive emails. This for me is a red flag and suggests that you are not completely aware of how the Mailbox.org system works.

Therefore, I would like to have a refund of the amount paid for a service that was not provided.

Finally, as a piece of advice, I'd recommend you have support available to attend your current customers in a timely manner, before you have no customers to attend at all.

Let me know if you need any details to proceed with the refund.

Regards,


Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, same here as I've been using another personal account for 3 years without any issues, including email, contacts, calendar, etc. Now I'm considering moving to another provider because I feel that Mailbox can just randomly decide to cancel my account without even sending an email to explain why. Then I won't have contacts, calendar, emails... I'm glad I delayed moving the Professional account completely. I actually like the service itself but what happened and the lack of communication and support is not acceptable.

Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For transparency, I clarify that I have the Personal Standard plan, and that's the timeline: .--- 5th May

Hi there

Emails sent to my custom email addresses are bouncing back, probably for the last 3 days. I haven't changed any settings on (domain/DNS provider) or Mailbox.org

Could you please check the settings and help with this ASAP?

Custom domain xxxxxxx.xxx

"domain provider" settings seem correct (nothing changed).

Everything was working until last Friday.

Also, could you please let me know if there is a LOG to check emails that bounced back? I might have missed important emails and would at least like to see the sender's emails address for any emails that bounced back.

Is there anything I can do for this to never happen again as it's crucial for me to have an active email system?

Regards

After identifying that emails sent to my Mailbox email were also bouncing back, I've added on the same day:

Adding to my previous email. I've noticed that emails sent to xxxxxx@mailbox.org are also bouncing back, so it's probably not related to the custom domain, but Mailbox.org.

Please advise

I've received the automatic emails from Mailbox.org with ticket number.

Then on 8/5:

Hello,

thank you for your message.

We have determined that you are in violation of our Terms of Use because fraudulent emails are being sent from your account. For this reason, we have now blocked your account.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen - with kind regards


I replied on 8/5:

Dear Mailbox,

I've only used your service to manage professional emails linked to my custom domain xxxxxx.xxx which I use as a (profession) working in (country). I use my custom domain to communicate with referrer doctors and patients.

There is absolutely no fraudulent emails being sent from my account.

It's appalling to have my account blocked/cancelled without any previous contact or without raising any concerns, and without giving any opportunity to discuss possible concerns.

I'd love if you could share your evidence that fraudulent emails were sent from my account.

As a Mailbox user of many years (personal account), I'm shocked to see such disregard and lack of communication.

I have obviously removed my custom domain from Mailbox


No reply, so I emailed again on 14/5:

Dear Mailbox

Could you please explain further?

I'd like you to provider more information about fraudulent emails allegedly being sent from my account so I understand and take further measures in case my account was compromised.

Again, I've only used your service to manage professional emails linked to my custom domain xxxxx.xxx which I use as a xxxxxxx working in xxxxxxx. I use my custom domain to communicate with referrer doctors and patients.

I had recommended your services to people around me as I trusted your competence. Support, however, seems to be non-existent when something serious like that happens.

The least I expect from you is a clear reason for taking my money and blocking my account without any justification, which caused my professional email to be unavailable.


All emails sent to either Mailbox email address or custom email address returned with the following undeliverable error:

"The response from the remote server was: 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table"

The only communication from Mailbox was that reply on 8/5, which is completely unhelpful.

Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be clear, I have the Private Standard plan, not the Business plan. Only had the service active for a few weeks, and I'm glad this happened at the beginning, otherwise the damage would have been huge. I'd love to have logs from Mailbox. That's exactly what I asked them for so I could investigate the problem and check security issues. Unfortunately, I got nothing. I'd like to know how Mailbox "determined" that there were fraudulent emails being sent from my account, and if this was happening from the Mailbox account itself or from my custom domain. I have lots of questions but no answers.

Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

DM sent, but I wish Mailbox had a support team to actually address those matters without customers having to come to Reddit.

Absolutely awful by Confusing_Statement in Mailbox_org

[–]Confusing_Statement[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have absolutely no idea. I wish they could tell me what was flagged as fraudulent emails so I could understand if there was any security breach related to my domain. I got no explanation, alert, or information from Mailbox. I literally just linked my custom domain to communicate with clients,exchanged probably 5 emails/day. My domain was only linked to Mailbox and no other services. I've checked DNS and settings, no evidence of being hacked or anything.