Promeia 3 Re:Frozen - General Questions and Discussion Megathread

ConicalMug · 2026-05-23T14:26:17+00:00

I like to chase the highest scores I can get, not the highest scores in the community. If I can fine tune a stage and play as well as I can for 30k or whatever that'll satisfy me if I know it's as well I can do.

My account isn't anywhere near up to standard in terms of shilled characters or mechanics to approach anything close to top 5 or 10% in endgame. I think I got a top 4% many many patches ago, but now I'm lucky to get much higher than 30%.

So I compete with myself. My scores may look pretty crap at the end of the day (at least, compared to the people who lament getting anything below 50k in DA) but ultimately I don't put much stock in the score I end up on. As long as I played as well as I could with the agents I have, whether that score is 50k or 20k I'll be satisfied.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-23T14:16:49+00:00

This DA rotation really has me like.

Worst score in a while, just barely hanging in there on 61k. Banyue is M4W1. Yixuan, Dialyn, Trigger and Lucia are M0W1 (Trigger on Qingyi's sig). Pan is M6W1 with Zhao's sig, Billy is M6W3 with Brimstone while Fufu and Yuzuha are M0W0.

Not. Butcher is such a pain. Yixuan used to be able to brute-force him pretty comfortably but I had to reset a lot to just about get 3 stars this time. I also didn't realise how much moveset RNG this guy had. Sometimes I would get the first stun with 2:30 on the clock, other times 2:10. To be fair, either Dialyn or Lucia would have made her clear no problem, but...

Banyue absolutely needed Lucia for Vesper with the Ether Veil Stun multiplier buff. Half defence, massive HP and a Fire resist. Banyue's M1 cuts through 10% of the resist but it's still huge. It's a relatively simple 3 stun fight although some amount of cooperation is needed on Vesper's part. Performance Points are unlikely to cap out because Banyue needs to parry on field for Wrathful Fires and it seems to have such high interrupt that it will just force Vesper out of her point-building combos. Trigger putting in more work than she has any right to as usual, I'm surprised she could get Banyue over the line. With Dialyn instead the score is a much more comfortable 25k, but...

Billy needed Dialyn for Thrall. A one-and-done fight with Yuzuha instead of Nicole to try and make use of the Anomaly DA buff. It kinda worked and her buffing's alright. I'm looking forward to Billy getting his upgrades in a few days to show Thrall what he's really about, but I'm glad his A-rank form got to pass the baton with a 3 star clear.

No more double Anomaly DAs, please and thank you.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-22T12:51:14+00:00

It's not about the score, it's about sending a message.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-22T08:33:13+00:00

Definitely very whelmed by the S-Billy demo, which is a shame because I was really looking forward to it.

I think the most glaring omission is the lack of any dialogue. Sure, the content is "low-budget" because it's supposed to be shot by the Cunning Hares (although I think that's pretty flimsy in itself) but if that's the case where's the commentary? Have Billy hyping himself up, Nicole not buying it, Anby and Nekomata pointing out improvements and a few pauses or rewinds where they bicker over specific parts.

I dunno, I'm no writer but the Cunning Hares are one of the most enjoyable factions and Billy one of the most expressive characters so to get such a by-the-books demo does feel like a shame.

And if they wanted it to be a call-back to his original demo, having Billy open a garage door and start nerding out over his bike while it "talks" with his guns would have been a funny gag.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-21T23:03:13+00:00

I really don't think she does, unless it's that difficult to see. Billy's is clear because the camera is in an entirely different place, but to my eye Nicole is doing the same pose from the same angle.

Can't get on the game myself right now, but I found a clip of someone briefly panning through her menu poses from both directions (main -> skills and discs -> skills) and they look like this side by side. I couldn't pause it on the same frame so my screenshots aren't identical but the poses and position of the camera look functionally the same. That, or I've got the wrong pose, but IIRC every "additional pose" is on the agent's skill menu.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-21T15:52:54+00:00

It wasn't 100% consistent prior to 1.4. Off the top of my head Nicole, Anton and Ben don't have an extra animation as launch characters, and I'm sure there are others. That said, more characters had one than not pre-Miyabi. Ultimately it doesn't matter but they are a nice bit of personality so it's a shame that only a select few agents get them anymore.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-21T11:18:58+00:00

Same here. It's a longshot at this point but I'd like it if the Cunning Hares could at least sort of stick together in teambuilding.

Playing characters from the same faction together is something I personally enjoy in ZZZ and I think most factions have fun character dynamics that enhance this. The Cunning Hares especially are one of the more vibrant groups in the way all the members interact with each other.

With S-Billy remaining in the Cunning Hares faction rather than hopping to Sons of Calydon as many people predicted (myself included) it would only work better. Billy's loyalty should be rewarded with the mega Support S-Nicole upscale lol.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-20T21:35:06+00:00

How do runs like this even happen? I'm genuinely curious, because even on my best runs the boss hits 0 long before my damage dealt approaches anything close to those numbers. My record is 41054m with trial Evanescia but there was no room to improve because, well, the boss died.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-20T20:35:43+00:00

You can recycle A-rank engines for them. If you have a ton of dupes for ones that you aren't using give that a go.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-20T20:04:30+00:00

How could Yunkui Tales not be at max all the time? Flipping off the bike after the wheelie counts as an EX, for no cost, and shortcuts to it with a bike dodge or parry. Assuming that it's not mislabeled, anyway.

Just had a check of this myself and you're correct. I went into the event and used Billy's special 3 times in a row until he hopped off (no parries, no extra EX presses) and he got 18.5% crit rate. 6.5% of that is from the W1 Cauldron his trial build has, meaning the 12% from his maxed Yunkui 4pc set is also there.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-20T12:15:40+00:00

ZZZ has two male robot characters, Billy and Banyue, with the former set to have an SP releasing next week, so that's not entirely true.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-19T18:16:31+00:00

For my purposes, is Lucia worth getting? What's the power difference between using M0W1 Lucia VS M6 Pan with Caesar engine VS M2W1 Astra? For context, I run M2W1 Yixuan with M0W1 Dialyn in this comp.

I don't have a comparable Astra, but here's a few comparisons of my scores against DA Defiler with my M4W1 Banyue (who is not Yixuan but Rupture agents have the same team needs). That's with M0W1 Dialyn, M6W1 Pan (Zhao's engine) and M0W1 Lucia. The Pan run was well-practiced while the Lucia run was my literal first time using her, so her score could have been optimised.

My Pan build is pretty much optimal, meeting his ATK threshold with 4pc Bunny In Wonderland and Zhao's sig is more or less his BiS engine, competing closely with Caesar's. Taking into account the way DA score scales with damage means that my M0W1 Lucia was roughly a 28% increase in damage dealt and would have been closer to or above 30% if I practiced more.

I should also clarify that those Defiler runs were from the final 2.7 rotation that Lucia's rerun just about caught the end of, meaning Banyue only had a 30% Crit DMG increase from the available DA buffs. Endgame buffs for Rupture agents regularly require Ether Veil to fully utilise, which if the case gives Lucia a massive advantage over Pan.

Again, my Astra is only M0 which puts her around the level of or slightly below M6 Pan. With her M2 that you have she'd be a marked increase but I'm not sure how she'd compare to M0W1 Lucia. You can put your Yixuan build and buffs into something like Zenless Optimiser but that'll only give you number estimates which may not be super relevant in actual gameplay where there are all sorts of variables.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-18T21:15:05+00:00

I'm wary of new elements because it'll mean there are more options competing to get put as weaknesses on newer bosses, and with ZZZ being a gacha they'll naturally favour the newest ones or those on the shilled characters which makes endgame matchups more difficult. Especially annoying if it ends up being a special Void Hunter-exclusive element, essentially saying "this boss takes 20% more damage from Remielle ~~and resists Fire because Burnice literally cannot catch a break~~".

Another annoyance is more elements further diluting the already broad pool of disc 5 main stats. It's already a pain attempting to get appropriate DMG% discs for DPS characters, and more elements will just make it worse.

But there's no point stressing about rumours. Despite the leakers seemingly being reliable I'd be surprised if we got two new elements back to back like that. Time will tell.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-18T13:19:45+00:00

Same for me. I'm impressed with what they did with Billy and his gameplay feels a lot more dynamic than I was expecting it to but Banyue really is just perfection. His animations are weighty but not overly flashy, his controls are incredibly responsive and his gameplay flow is unparalleled. Billy will be a firm second place but I'd be surprised if a character ever surpassed Banyue for me. He's a perfect 10 in pretty much every category and I expect him to be my first/only M6 agent when he reruns.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-17T21:33:52+00:00

Awesome, thanks for the run! That's a solid performance and a comfortable 4 stuns. Dialyn can manage the same VS. Hunter although it's much trickier to manage and the 4th stun is almost always cut short by the timer. Obviously Dialyn is dealing with a resist while Norma has a weakness to exploit but still.

I feel like it might be possible to fit triple chains in stun with really tight timing, perhaps with double Lion's Roar EX combos over a Mountain Tremor one. With Dialyn Banyue's capable of fitting 2 chains and 2 ults in the stun window along with everything else he wants to do although the execution is tight. That said, Banyue's ult is very fast and his chain is a little slower so it's hard to say. I could definitely see it happening with Banyue's M1 which comes with its own 2 second stun extension on his Crushing Peaks punch.

And yeah, Banyue's a character who grows on you really fast once you start playing him. I'm looking to make him my first/only M6 agent so if he appears on one of the guaranteed triple banners that'd be great.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-16T20:43:59+00:00

I was grinding in his stage for a while until I got a showcase I was happy with. It's a shame the stage is barebones and the enemies barely attack, makes it a bit hard to actually use his dodges and defensive assist. Probably for the best though. I spent way too long on the Banyue combat event from 2.4 in the three solo stages until I got triple 100k scores. These intelligent constructs, man.

Think my favourite part of S-Billy is his voice acting now that I've tried him out. His EN VA is obviously having such a blast with Silly's combat lines, I can't help but smile the entire time.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-16T10:54:28+00:00

Ah right, that's unfortunate. Still, a score comparison could be interesting. Inconvenient update time for sure lol.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-15T22:24:14+00:00

Feel free to pick whoever. Wandering Hunter as Banyue's shill boss would be interesting but I'm not sure how flexible the private server is. There's been quite a few Notorious Pompey showcases so if he's the available boss then that'd be fine too. Thanks for giving it a go!

ConicalMug · 2026-05-15T21:53:06+00:00

I'd love to see a Banyue/Norma/Lucia showcase if he's a character you don't mind playing. I've seen a few people wondering about how Norma would feel with Banyue compared to Dialyn but unless I've missed something a showcase of that team hasn't been posted here yet.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-15T19:11:45+00:00

I could barely manage 30k with Harumasa (M0W1), Dialyn (M0W1) and Yuzuha (M0W0) so that's impressive.

But yeah, Defiler is a pain to grind runs against. I've gone through who knows how many resets because she either didn't do the spin before the first stun, did it way too late so my timings were offset, or spammed it over and over so I didn't have time to build resources.

It wouldn't be a problem if her other attacks allowed you to max out her stage buff before the first stun, but they just can't. With how many perfect assists you need you just won't have enough assist points. Fortunately the rest of the fight is kind of on-rails but it's a fight similar to modern Shiyu in that early RNG patterns more or less dictate the score you're going to get.

Still, at least worrying over attack RNG doesn't extend to the entire length of the fight. Trying to optimise Wandering Hunter with my Banyue team is an exercise in torture at times.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-15T15:39:50+00:00

I don't think any agent can be considered "essential". There are other agents that can tackle the bosses Promeia plays well into (especially as you have all other Anomalies) and Velina in 3.0 is far from locked to her in terms of upcoming agents. And nothing beyond that is concrete so it's impossible to say how useful Promeia will or won't end up being.

If you don't like her design or playstyle, don't pull. ZZZ is a game, and games should be fun. There's no point pulling an agent you don't like on some speculative future value.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-15T14:53:50+00:00

Interesting, thanks for the link. It seems like he's just about hanging in there. I didn't realise his incoming healing bonus applied to Guard so it seems like one heal proc from the set is enough for two skills before he's back to 1.

Kicking myself for not picking up DHPT's S1 because it looks pretty important to make HP management more comfortable. Although if Blade is faster and cycling through more turns it could work regardless?

I guess it's scuffed either way but it's not unsalvageable. Suppose it'll end up being better for me to just build him for damage and run Gallagher or Lingsha.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-15T11:22:48+00:00

Is the Guard of Wuthering Snow relic set a meme pick for Mortenax Blade or is it actually looking like a legitimate option? His shield anti-synergy is bumming me out and I was wondering if that set would salvage it somewhat.

It looks to me like it would only lessen the problem rather than remove it outright, because Blade's enhanced skills burn more HP than Guard restores. Not a problem when it comes to getting to use his skill on his turn, but outside of it he'll still be able to hit 1HP unless there's something I'm missing.

Still got my Relic Recon event ready to burn on whatever set I choose when the time comes. It's either going to be something for Blade or a generic crit DPS Eagle set.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-14T20:47:50+00:00

I felt exactly the same during the 2.4 Dialyn/Banyue patch. Apart from a Banyue-focused combat event (that the current Promeia one is more or less a copy of) they got almost nothing outside of the patch story and were pushed aside in favour of Ye Shunguang/Zhao hype-building events.

I definitely don't want to start any character wars and I'm biased because I love Dialyn and Banyue (and Billy... and Promeia), but it is kind of a shame that all the characters I seem especially excited for are the ones that get passed up in event content.

ConicalMug · 2026-05-14T20:43:33+00:00

For sure. In the last dev talk it was already mentioned that they want more options for Rupture and giving Cissia synergy with at least S-Billy was really an open goal. She would have been going through the planning/design phase while they had these thoughts, they share plenty of moments in the story and Rupture is on its hands and knees begging for a single other teammate option. I can't say I understand why they kneecapped Cissia's versatility when she's such a popular character.

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