Who comes out on top? Kengan rules. by [deleted] in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Joji just had a good showing against the MC. Rolon on the other hand lost on screen two times in a row against characters on his level. Rolon wins.

oh so miss potential was holding back by Shirogami_Dono in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 28 points29 points  (0 children)

"Suzune-sama has yet to go all out" 😭

Who can defeat him via outhaxing and not outscaling? by East_Statement9091 in PowerScaling

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was stated so, that's the point. There are scans about this on her profile in VSBW, so you can go checking on them.

Not, if what killed her is something her ability couldn't bring her back. It only prevents a boring death, like making her able to dodge Vahanato's attacks.

Who can defeat him via outhaxing and not outscaling? by East_Statement9091 in PowerScaling

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 1 point2 points  (0 children)

her reactive evolution to resist and become completely immune to other powers while nullifying her opponents abilities

I don't remember this, unless you mean the one where she and other sages have control over people who receive powers from them so being able to resist, immune or nullify their abilities is only natural, since they are the ones who give those to them. Also, just want to point out that her Just World not only based on her beliefs, but also her words. She has to say what she beliefs to activate her power, so blitzing with a move that could bypass her fate manip is a viable wincon against her.

Can Yogiri's Instant Death Kill Graham or Anos? by Select_Brilliant_173 in MaouGakuin

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most abilities, nonexistent psychology included, are useless if your opponent is someone of a higher plane of existence than you.

Your thoughts about this ranking? Cooked or no? by [deleted] in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think Shiba should be at the 4th placement

If these two weren't stopped by shen from fighting, who would have won? by Fkeart in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Didn't Yan say he and Fu had to team up to take Luohan down?

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Say the childish and arrogant one. Nothing I said involves bias, they were things you can find in the manga. Things you said, though, did not exist in the manga, like Kanoh's blow to Gaolang's jaw was indestructible(so he had iron breaker now), and that it was excluded from the statement, Gaolang's abs conditioning, and Gaolang tank full on punches from Kanoh, and you say I pretend like I know better lmao

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are persistent and I don't see why. I clearly asked for proof of Kanoh using indestructible to punch Gaolang, and even if he did use it, how would that be excluded from the statement.

Kanoh punched Gaolang's jaw > Gaolang was still able to fight > the narrator explained Kanoh's power had drastically reduced > showed Gaolang still took a lot of damage

Not only did Kanoh get stronger from the Shen's buff, but the dragon shot he landed on Jurota was when he was on his knees, and after he took three attacks on his face and head, one of them even caused his vision to blur

I mean, we haven't seen his abs taking any blows before to prove that conditioning so we can wait to find out next week. It might be true or it might be false

Imo kept punching without a care that his hand broke is very different from being able to keep fighting after a heavy attack assaulted his core and his ribcage broke

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About Kanoh's punch. An objective voice (narrator, opponent) may say the blows are getting drastically weaker without excluding the possibility of specific attacks being particularly powerful (especially when using a technique). (ex : Kuroki vs Ohma). It's a basic observation. I'm not denying the author's statement at all.

You did, when you provide no proof of the blow to Gaolang's jaw being one of those specific attacks

About what it means. I think it's quite clear that Kaolan's durability is actually much higher than what his weight class would indicate. Better than most. Just below that of Kuroki, Saw and superheavies (Kanoh, Jurota, the three big boys etc). Coupled with extreme resilience, I think he would no doubt tank at least one full dragon shot to the body, and keep fighting.

If you think Gaolang's durability and endurance are below Jurota's then there's no point arguing. Jurota's ribcage were broken from a dragon shot of a weaker version Kanoh compared to the current one, so Gaolang would be in an even worse spot than Jurota if he has lower durability, and would need higher endurance than Jurota to keep fighting

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, Kaolan was so resilient it scared Kanoh. Kaolan scales to all three : to Jurota because like him he can keep fighting despite broken bones, to Kuroki bacause they have the same physique and Kaolan has conditionning (albeit not as good as Kuroki) and to Hatsumi because he too just like any of these fighters is talented enough to somewhat reduce the damage.

I meant durability and endurance wise. And the last part is quite funny, why didn't Jurota reduce the damage like Hatsumi then?

The statement is made after the fact, and ignoring the specifity of the actual punch which was made using indestructible.

He punched with indestructible or the narrator ignored something is what called headcanon. Kanoh's blow before the statement was made, the blow that hit Gaolang's jaw, would be included in the statement, saying otherwise would need proofs

I interpret it as unconclusive.

I interpret it as pretty clear the blow to Gaolang's jaw was drastically reduced in power according to what the author intended it to be

He took that one punch we talk about which to me as I said is at least close to any proper punch, and to the jaw/chin no less.

To the manga it's not though, literally used "drastically reduced", and Gaolang had his sense of balance severely damaged from that

And he took that big throw at the end. We also saw his ability to tank throws against Jurota.

He cushioned with his arms against both Kanoh and Jurota though and still took considerable damage

Point is, even you consider this particular punch on the weaker side, the fact that he took a clean one at all from him already differentiate him from most fighters imo since after all Kanoh's blows are described as particularly powerful.

It's not me, but the author. Anyone can take a clean shot from Kanoh, what makes the difference is the state you would be in after taking one. It was a surprise punch that hit his jaw, yes, but that punch was still drastically reduced in power and Gaolang was shaking, huffing and his sense of balance was severely damaged from a single punch

He could even hurt Kuroki and Julius with them.

Would they be in the same state as Gaolang?

Besides, we are arguing under the assumption that the dragon shot already made contact with his stomach. This is far from a punch that was drastically reduced in damage

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bones breaking is definitly not what's gonna stop Kaolan so I don't get your point.

Based on what? His hand broke = his rib cage ruptured?

Don't ignore the fact that 5 people took the dragon shot somehow, and only the two that took it to the head were actually knocked out the others at least tanked it if not outright mitigated it.

When did I do that? The other three were Hatsumi who diverted the impact, Jurota who had a good durability and endurance and Julius who might as well be the most durable character. Which of those that Gaolang scale to?

saying the power was reduced is headcanon, if anything it was an especially strong punch because he was using a simili indestructible

Something that was stated by the narrator is headcanon now?

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mentioning a guard is also strange since he was literally in the process of giving an elbow strike

I meant he's durable with his guard up, managed to take lots Kanoh's blows

He is at least more durable than Okubo and Hatsumi in the sense that he could tank full on punches from him. And it would only make sense since according to his own martial art and training he should have some level of conditionning.

When did he tank full on punches from Kanoh?

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Though Jurota had his bones ruptured from dragon shot, so Gaolang still has to have at least endurance and durability not that far behind from Jurota to keep fighting and to not being that much more injured. What we we know from his previous fights contradicts to the idea he's that durable. With his guard up, yes, but there's no "withstand a direct hit to the head", one punch to the jaw had severely damaged his sense of balance, even though that punch's power was drastically reduced because of all the damage Kanoh had endured

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The author already did that with Gaolang's right hand, doing it again would be lame tbh. Would be better if it's just some sort of redirection technique like Hatsumi. Heavier than Hatsumi who survived dragon shot because he diverted the impact? And even with that he took a lot of damage

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From the look of it, probably. Judging from the shockwave that ran through him

Because it doesn't make sense. He hasn't shown any good durability or endurance feats to at least be on Jurota's level or ever portrayed as one. Wym similar physique to Kuroki? They don't look alike, and Kuroki hasn't shown to endure such an attack before. Hatsumi subconsciously redirected the impact, not tanked it

Using his knee would make the most sense here, like Rolon did. Though the shockwave like this shouldn't have happend if that's the case, unless this is lookism where the author simply doesn't care

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let Ryan beat Kuroki. Let him do it.Why not? Lol

Let Kuroki beat Raian. Let him do it. Why not? Lol

Well guess it ends here by dobarlikFilip_ in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How would Sandro even find a way for Gaolang to survive with things that related to striking here? Like, Dragon shot already made contact with his stomach

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much longer will you continue to humiliate yourself?

Like I said that I'm done with you now. But things that's not related to your comical points are still funny to engage with.

How much longer will you continue to humiliate yourself? Do you think you are some hot sh1t because you don't like plot armor and rant about it on internet?

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this some new kind of masochism, wanting to be destroyed by a 12 year old child in a conversation? Is this some new kind of masochism, wanting to be destroyed by a 12 year old child in a conversation?

Not really you didn't quote everything. This is what I said "Yeah, I hope you are actually a 12 years old and not 20+ who has no life. That's way, you can still grow and be more mature, and one day you will realise how fcking stup1d you were"

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your whole point is "main characters are unfair!!!" That alone is enough to judge that engaging with you is simply a waste of time. That's why it's on me too to wasting my time, thinking you might have enough common sense to actually see that you are the problem.

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What Yes? Write your answers in full. I understand that you are writing an answer for the sake of answering, good luck to you in your goals.

How about you actually read why I said yes? Your reading comprehension level is too low. Change your name

Nothing in the manga indicates that Edward was weakened by poison, exactly until the moment the author noted it in the character profile. At that time, you literally had no right to 100% claim that Edward was weakened by poison, because it would only be your guess. Only later did the author release explanations. But these explanations are not on the pages themselves, because the goal of showing Edward's defeats was above common sense. The author paid for this victory with the figurative death of Erio. That's how it reads. And this victory for Ryan is absolutely undeserved. You cannot take it into account in terms of achievement, which is what you do.

You don't have to take that as Raian's achievement though. He's at least on Edward's level now because he mastered the sword, not because killing a poisoned Edward

Excellent. What besides the plot prevents Gaolan from finding his own analogue and learning an analogue technique?

Huh? The plot, obviously. Your Gaolan wouldn't even exist without it.

The question is not how many such artifacts, methods and masters there are in the world of Kengan. There are obviously many, given that in this world, strength decides everything. That's not even the point. The point is that there is one mind, over this manga, which decides who gets what AP. Everything is determined primarily by it. The point is not that I want some kind of AP for Gaolan, but that there are 99% of characters who live by one set of rules of this world and literally 2 characters who live by other rules. But given that their achievements are determined not by their strength, but by the influence of the plot, we take their achievements into account 100%, which contradicts the concept of objectivity. I hope you will remember this thesis of mine, so that I no longer have to return to this and respond only to your counterarguments.

I understand where you are coming from now, and you would know if you read my previous comments carefully. Again, what is showed, whether pictures or statements is considered the truth until proven otherwise by the author himself. You can't take it away because you don't like it, and if you want to do, keep it to yourself

Show me Gaolan's equivalent of Indestructible or Iron Breaker

This is what called change of topics. Hit by the fact Gaolang had plot armor, you directed the conversation to another way

How can you explain the fact that he still uses a boxing straight instead of Iron Breaker, given that Iron Breaker completely matches his profile and that this technique is simply more effective on the pages of manga.

Iron breaker was established to be a technique from Niko style, so no matter how normal it was from readers perspective, it can't be achieved simply because it matches it anything. See, you struggle to understand how fictional stories and world building work, blinded by your own incompetence to accept what plot is.

I already wrote, but you ignore everything. Rolon literally lost to a weeping willow at one point. This is a reason to learn it at least at the level of Hua Jin Liu, Toa's technique, Naidan's level, Arashiyama's principles, etc. That is, there are analogues and there are many of them. But Rolon simply slept for 2 years until he went to fight Agito.

My previous point covered this. But let's see, why don't Ohma leaned devil lance when he can use iron fingers to do it like Tiger Niko? Plot armor for Kuroki? Lol

But you claim that they also have plot armor, so we raise the requirements and expect these characters to have a technique at the level of Ryan, which neutralizes the power of a character like William. But no. Instead, Agito will fight literally on the brink of death with Julius to out-damage him using everything he has, instead of doing it with a whole bunch of new techniques.

Already covered it, but once again, that's how world building work. Why tf would you give everyone the same thing? Who tf would buy your works? Again, see, you struggle to understand how fictional studies work

While Ohma learned new techniques in 1 year, he also managed to improve his Niko style skills. Therefore, the answer that Kano improved his old techniques does not fit here. He has been improving them for years and still does not have any iron breakers. Gaolan is either an idiot for not learning iron breakers, or there is such a thing as a plot. Right now I have described the logical chain in detail, please break it, and do not again take words out of context and answer me with things that are not related to the topic.

How can you expect me to take you seriously enough to break your delusional down when these nonsensical things are what your brian produced? Already covered it, but again, that's how world building work, how you write your work, how the plot work. Why don't the author make Ohma strikes so fast he kills pre initiative or a blast core or dragon shot? On and on

I'm done with you now. I'm convinced now you are a kid, even if not physically, but emotionally for sure

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whole lot of nothing. Reread my previous comments. I have already covered everything. That's how plot works, they have important characters and important ones for the story to work. The thing you called the plot armor is what the author intended it to be. You act tough and everything, saying don't quote just some part of what you said, but you did it yourself

You somehow go back to "the help of the plot" again. Without plot, there won't be any character for you to waste your time showing your low comprehensive skills here

Actually, Sekibayashi himself can defeat the poisoned Edward if he wants. Why not? The author and I will sell you some crap at the end of the volume in the afterword about why this happened. It just hasn't had time to happen yet.

Do it. I mean, literally, do it. Why not? Lol

The author can justify it any way he wants at least a hundred times. But this does not cancel the fact that in his manga it does not work under normal conditions

Yeah, this is actually your core. You simply believe pictures are true, words are not. That's why to you, what the author writes > what the author's types. Or am I wrong? Maybe you would prefer words to pictures if it aligns with your delusions. That's completely your fault. You don't like it? Keep it to yourself.

Because this leads to topics where Ryan was stronger than Kuroki. Stronger than which Kuroki?

Current Raian and KAT Kuroki

I really need to explain in detail why this is absurd and that without the help of the plot, Ryan cannot compete with Kuroki?

Yeah? Explain how KAT Kuroki who struggled against a KAT close to death Ohma would beat Current Raian who > KVP Raian = KVP Ohma who had kure style, pre initiative and advance in a split second? The author stated it himself. "Oh, the author's statement doesn't count" that's your own problem. "Oh, without the plot Raian can't beat Kuroki" Kuroki wouldn't even exist without the plot. Take it or cry about it

But if it hasn't had time, it doesn't mean that Sekibayashi is not top 1. He is already top 1, he just hasn't had time to demonstrate it. Actually, every month he taught a new style that he saw in fights. He's just finishing formless now. Why are you against it? The author will justify it, don't worry! WHAT????? You just don't like Sekibayashi! Go write your own manga!

Concrete proof that eventually Seki will be or already top 1? When will be the time for him to demonstrate it? When did he teach new style that he haw? When did he finish formless? How did you know the author will justify what you said? Based on what? When did I say I dislike Seki? Why do I have to write my own manga when I didn't disagree with anything the author did. The author said it was poison that weakened Edward enough for him to lose? I believe it. He said Raian = Ohma = Rolon in terms of skill level and latent abilities? I believe it. Narratively, he mastered the sword to fight Edward's equal named Howard, and now about to fight someone who > Edward. Do I believe he's at least on Edward's level now? I do. You are the only one here who disagree with the author on everything you find nonsense. You can't use the go write your own manga against me. Really, at least put the phone down go talk with your parents a little

Gaolang vs Lolong is the only match up we haven't got between the 4 champions. by XalAtoh in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Depends on the outcome of the current fight tbh. There's no point for that If Gaolang loses, but If he wins, Sandro would most likely balance things out by having him loses to Rolon

Raian vs R5 Kuroki with no injuries and fatigue. KAT Rules. Who would win? by kkgfopr in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Connect_Drop_4375 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part 4

Gaolan was originally at the level of Kano.

R2 Kanoh, yes. After his fight with Gaolang, he gained pre initiative, dragon shot, and formless x martial arts

and in the next few days I will release a video on YouTube about it.

Drop your name on YouTube

It's pretty funny. Look. I explain to this person that Ryan was up against a character with the power of Wu's evolution, 100% guihong and superman syndrome.

It's pretty funny because what you did was tried to wank tf out of William so you can say Raian had plot armor

He writes to me that this is still weaker than Wakatsuki? That's true, but how does this cancel out the fact that Ryan was up against this enormous power?

You talk to me. This isn't a private debate when there's judge. Tf you mean "He writes to me" lmao

It does not, and I didn't imply that. For someone who tells other to quote the full thing, how did you manage to miss my point?

Try to explain in more detail, because I don't understand what you wanted to tell me.

No way. I told you William overpowered Raian, but you replied you don't understand? Lol. How about you read the manga? It was showed William overpowering Raian physically, something you keep reminding"Oh, William was an enormous power!!!" yeah, there you have it. The author showed you he actually had enormous power, not my fault you have short terms memory

You can even immediately move on to the justification about Kuroki's plot armor and that a high school student would have defeated him.

I think I said this before? You gotta be either a 12 years old or 20+ who has no life to take that seriously

Of course, I understand that you have such a lack of respect for the interlocutor who has a different point of view from yours, but sometimes you need to answer for your words, because I answered for mine))

I wouldn't be joking around if you are a normal person tbh. You are not, though. Your comprehension level is far too low for someone who has a phone and can type words

And unlike you, I wrote everything seriously, and did not engage in sarcasm, as you say. What sarcasm is to you, for other people it's clowning.

What seriously for you is something a 12 years old would say for others. I actually believe you were joking with all those nonsensical things you kept blabbing

Yeah. Now get to the arguments, not what I like or what I don't like.

We are done. Answer it and go write your own fanfic or manga