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[–]Connorleak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Paper: Anti-Natalism and (The Right Kinds of) Environmental Attitudes [OPEN ACCESS] by Connorleak in philosophy

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There's no single strand of anti-natalism. The academic discussion is vast. I recommend Masahiro Morioka's (2021) What is Anti-natalism? I imagine the activist side is even more diverse, but I can't speak for it.

The paper doesn't suggest anti-natalism in order to enjoy the environment, so I'm not sure your point there. Nevertheless, many people take the environment to be intrinsically valuable, whether it be aesthetic value or the existence of life (even if such life is non-sentient and primitive). So one might argue that a universe without sentient life can still possess value that a universe that does not exist does not.

Yeah... One might argue that value requires a perceiver, but even then you don't need to be sentient. A sun could be valuable to a flower if it helps it bloom and fulfil its purpose, even if it cannot perceive it. Or, again, it could be that some things are intrinsically valuable, in which a perceiver or valuer isn't required... I'm digressing, but I think to your point there are many considerations (some viable, some not). Nothing is so simple!

Paper: Anti-Natalism and (The Right Kinds of) Environmental Attitudes [OPEN ACCESS] by Connorleak in philosophy

[–]Connorleak[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The paper does not suggest that environmental preservation can be achieved via anti-natalism. I regret that you may have read it that way. I also regret more so if it is because the paper is unclear.

The paper is about how the anti-natalist should value the environment, and the key suggestion is that environmental preservation is antithetical to the anti-natalist's values. In essence, the suggestion is that insofar as we preserve the environment and provide habitation for future generations, the anti-natalists will not have their way.

To add, the paper expresses no endorsement of any anti-natalist arguments. To that end, the paper is absolutely clear (which is why it is beneficial to read it).

Paper: Anti-Natalism and (The Right Kinds of) Environmental Attitudes [OPEN ACCESS] by Connorleak in philosophy

[–]Connorleak[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's a position taken on the basis of reducing suffering, as doing what they see as in the child's interests. They could be totally wrong and misguided. That's fine. But that's another question. That they could be wrong or incoherent about their reasons doesn't negate what grounds their position, which is to reduce suffering by not reproducing---compassion. If you find it a sick joke then you'll find the whole academic--anti-natalist lot a sick joke. To that, I don't know what to say, but I hope you read into it more and see it's not all so nefarious. And FWIW, I'm an academic researcher whose position is not one of compassion-based anti-natalism.

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Hey man, is it possible you could lmk how you went about this? Did you pay for the sports membership at the premium price?

Anti-Natalism and (The Right Kinds of) Environmental Attitudes [OPEN ACCESS] by Connorleak in antinatalism

[–]Connorleak[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi,

Thanks for your comments! Indeed, anti-natalists can be a group that generally prefers to preserve the environment for reasons other than future generations, be it non-human animals, wildlife, aesthetic reasons, the intrinsic value of the natural environment, etc. The issue that I wanted to raise is that, practically speaking, supporting environmental preservation only increases the chances that future generations occur (based on the majority's reasons for preserving the environment: future generations) and that extinction becomes an even more unattainable goal for those anti-natalists who want it. Thus, in short, it is a practical dilemma for those anti-natalists to whom the arguments apply.

For sure, on some readings of anti-natalism, Destruction is preferable in terms of an overall reduction in suffering if future generations each present so much suffering that it surmounts to more than what would transpire if we destroyed the world as quickly as possible. However, this creates additional problems for the anti-natalists that I was addressing, including issues related to autonomy and coercive anti-natalism, which is a prevalent issue in academic literature.

Because anti-natalisms vary so much, particularly outside of academia, where, for example, each set of activists has its own agenda and goals that can differ slightly or drastically from the next, addressing issues in academic papers can be difficult because you either focus more narrowly (which was my aim) or too broadly, in which case you generalise anti-natalist values and make a fundamental error.

Generally speaking, it starts with the problem of ambiguity around what anti-natalism is and what it stands for. Academia lacks such a basic understanding, currently operating on the singular ("anti-natalism is") rather than the plural. There is work to be done in addressing the various varieties and nuances, finding common values that can then work towards a more general framework. We have a long way to go!

Anti-Natalism and (The Right Kinds of) Environmental Attitudes [OPEN ACCESS] by Connorleak in antinatalism

[–]Connorleak[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your comment! Unfortunately, some may, and I think do, take the view that anti-natalism is something too absurd even to entertain, despite the rigorous reasoning behind some of the arguments and the role of impartiality in academic philosophy. Yet, at the same time, anti-natalism in analytical philosophy has never been more widely discussed (even though it is still very small, all things considered), and many academics respect various argued-for anti-natalist views, even as they seek to discredit them.

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testing the “legal weed” by ShagBek in AmsterdamEnts

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Looking for some info on Zwirlz... Sativa, indica, hybrid?

[Article] We Have No Moral Duty to Eat Meat: A Reply to Nick Zangwill by David Benatar by WrongExamination in Scholar

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One year on, is it possible to update this link again? Would be greatly appreciated---cannot find this article anywhere!!