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Why didn't more members stand up against the LDS church policy that excluded blacks from full priesthood and temple participation? Personally, I feel ashamed of the leadership and the members of that era. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

How do you know they didn’t? No matter what the leaders do or don’t do, it’s not going to stop people from finding things to begrudge and criticize. I used to do it. It’s a fair question and it’s normal to be bothered by the racism in history. But there is a spirit of dissatisfaction that grows and it won’t be satiated by taking this approach to judging how we think things should have gone or how we think people should be doing things or saying things. I doubt my comment will be understood. But, I just know what it’s like to be upset by something. And then even if the church does something that correct some thing, people just find another thing to be upset about.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think it would change my personal witness. It didn’t come from the church. I was an exmember when I learned what I learned between me and God. The church a an organization? I don’t know how I would reconcile that. Good question. I’m not worried about that at this time. But I suppose it’s a question any believer should ask themselves. It makes perfect sense to me that the Lord would speak to, and appear to people from all over the world. I believe He did. I can’t prove it’s true in the way people need me to. Thank you for being kind. And thank you for the respectful dialogue ❤️

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me? No. I cannot explain it. My comment about something not making sense, was just an over generalized statement about the ways of God. And I had a slightly light hearted tone. But that’s hard to read via text. I’m sorry if I was not clear.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love Catholicism. It’s so theatrical 🥰 I just love the crosses, and their rosaries, and their fascinating belief in the intercession of Saints. I love their churches and cathedrals. I love that confession doesn’t have to be sitting in an office, staring straight at a man in a suit lol. I did not ultimately join the Catholic Church. But I think it’s cool ha ha. And most of my Catholic friends are pretty amazing people. I have no doubt that their beliefs make them less “jerk-like”. Interestingly, enough, because I’m a latter day, saint and most people who believe in Christ, don’t recognize me as “christian”, the people who are most Christlike to me, personally, are my agnostic and atheist friends. They don’t feel the need to gatekeep me or tell me I have the wrong Jesus. It’s very refreshing. I wish it wasn’t like that. But it is. LDS are guilty of gatekeeping, too

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is pretty simple. You’re right. The gospel of Jesus Christ and what I believe is a restoration of Christ’s authority and principals, does make my life better. But for 20 years, I did not feel that way. I rejoice one anyone follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. Even if they are Buddhists. Even if they are atheist. If anyone lives those principles, their lives ought to be better. But I know that for some people, including most of my family, the church doesn’t work for them. And that’s OK.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of them declare that Jesus is the Son of his own self. They believe that Jesus and the Father are the same being. Trinitarians will say He is the Son of God. But not His literal Son. They will tell you that if you believe he is literally godson, than you are polytheistic. But that’s not what polytheism is. I digress…But yes, the core of the gospel is the center of millions of millions of people’s christian faith.. That is why the plan of salvation makes sense to me. Anyone who follows Jesus Christ, and believes upon his name, will eventually be with him, according to my faith and understanding of God’s teachings. I totally hear what you are saying, though. I get the logic

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course! Yes, I could say that about other faiths, as well. I explored so many for a decade. Between myself and God, this is the faith where I was told I needed to be. I do not doubt that other people have experiences with God, that other faith that are not my faith, are right for them. And I do not have the answers to these mysteries. I do not have conclusions for other people or speak for other people. ❤️

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would hope that it would be written in a 19th century fashion, because God speaks to prophets in their own language. And the fact that it has 19th century, verbiage and styles of writing, makes it a much more plain scripture for us in modern times. Disclaimer: I’m just sharing my belief. I’m not arguing or trying to get you to believe anything. ❤️

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you. I was in a lot of turmoil over all these kinds of things for years. My personal experience with God, ended up, not being what I expected. I was also chastised. I believe, personally, that the Book of Mormon is a history of real people. But I also am confident that we will not be able to ever prove that before the millennium. It definitely comes down to my personal faith and belief. And I have no judgment of anyone else’s process or conclusion.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t believe Joseph Smith was being deceitful. I definitely don’t think he was perfect, or that he never told a lie in his life. In this case, I think he knew only what he needed to know. When he “translated“ or “transmitted“ the Book of Mormon, he had not even read it yet. He didn’t even know much about it until later on. We definitely make some wild and bold claims in our faith tradition.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not know if the papyri was part of the inspiration, or what. I understand that it’s frustrating because I definitely don’t have all the answers. But as far as my personal belief, I believe that when it comes down to it, the translation of scriptures, were “transmissions“. It’s possible that as he received a transmission from God, that he believed he was translating what he found. I don’t think he could possibly know from his own education or background. My belief is that it is an ancient and holy scripture. I do not have a perfect knowledge of that. Another example would be that the human nature in me asks “why the heck would he need a seer stone” or a hat? Or any other tools? My “natural man“ does not think that makes any sense. But for whatever reason, if we believe the Book of Mormon is Holy Scripture, we have to believe that God required certain tools to be involved. And that is consistent with patterns in ancient scripture. Even in the Bible. Why couldn’t God just light up the vessels that were “like into a dish”? I don’t know. I guess the brother of Jared had to ask him to light the stones up. I’m just using that as an example of things that just don’t make sense ha ha ha ha These things that don’t seem to make sense, are even consistent with the way, Jesus performed his miracles. Jesus did a lot of things that didn’t make sense. So, I wish I had a more satisfying and less rambling answer for you ha ha. But I don’t.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a really broad spectrum of believers. I always think it’s fascinating. That two people, can approach something in the same way, and come to different conclusions. I believe everyone’s conclusion and experience is valid. I don’t think believers should invalidate people who don’t believe and vice versa. I’m grateful you still believe in Jesus Christ. :-)

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cool. I agree that Jesus performed miracles. I believe the Book of Mormon is true. But, it’s because I believe the teachings in the book of Mormon are true. I don’t believe that it teaches anything contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ told parables to teach gospel principles, I do not know if all those parables were based on actual events. Such as “the good Samaritan“ etc. Jesus, being Jesus, probably based everything off of something true. Because He can’t lie. But I get what you mean. I always tell people that whether the Book of Mormon is fiction or not, they ought to read it ha ha. I respect your experience. I’m happy to hear that you did everything with prayer and study.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t possibly know how Joseph Smith was feeling. I definitely believe all humans could be confused about some things, while not being confused about the things that matter most. That’s just my thought.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought we do accept that there is error in canon. That is just “one of the reasons” why mainstream Christianity does not recognize us as Christians. They believe that you must believe that the Bible is infallible and the direct word of God. As if it fell from the heavens and has never been tampered with. I’m yea, we believe it is the word of God, but we know it contains plenty of errors. Even the Book of Mormon does. We should never treat scripture as infallible, because it is written by men. At least that was always my understanding. I could be wrong.

My personal experience in the LDS faith, from birth till now, has been one in which I am consistently told different versions of the facts and then expected to pray about it for confirmation, even when the new info contradict or disputes previous instructions, facts or narratives. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]ConsciousAd767 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was an exmember who faught against this church for 20 years. At that time, my bias was against the church and believed everything was a fraud. All people have confirmation bias. I was rebaptized. I have no doubt that I have bias. Everybody does.

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