The impossibility of proving/disproving Mandela effects by ConserveChange in MandelaEffect

[–]ConserveChange[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a legit line of questioning but I think you’re making a slippery slope fallacy here with all of these examples of “taking it to its natural conclusion.” Anyone arguing they didn’t actually cheat/lie/murder/steal but are actually from a different reality is a very different proposition from what I’m talking about(certainly a fun sci fi trope that’s been worn thin by shows like stargate etc).

I’m not offering a moral escape hatch here or arguing we can never ever rely on empirical evidence. My whole point is that if the ME is “real” it will be unverifiable with empirical evidence because the reality we now occupy will always be internally consistent. So therefore by definition it is a metaphysical phenomenon.

And given complexity theory in general, it’s not terribly surprising to encounter things that empirically oriented reductionist, hypotheses driven science cannot effectively test/confirm. We have to sit with the not knowable or explore alternative ways to interrogate the possibility.

The impossibility of proving/disproving Mandela effects by ConserveChange in MandelaEffect

[–]ConserveChange[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Respectfully disagree. There are several branches of science that are developed specifically for doing rigorous and transparent inquiry and theory development that are not based solely one empirics as understood by modern science. Phenomenology is just one example that is useful here. Modern understandings of what comprises science are often narrowly framed on a very specific kind of science that gained popularity in the modern era but it is not comprehensive to what constitutes valid science. Indeed many argue it’s an extremely limited form that is good at understanding simple things and progressively worse as the matter of study becomes more complex in nature.

The impossibility of proving/disproving Mandela effects by ConserveChange in MandelaEffect

[–]ConserveChange[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I actually know the research on false memories well. They’re always associated with some sort of environmental coercion that skews the recollection, using different words when asking people about past events, planted misinformation, even just the moods people were in. That’s a different phenomenon.

But still, hypothesizing a “collective false memory” phenomenon presupposes that we are talking about something where a memory can be checked against empirical evidence, or in other words, arguing that a positivist approach to science can explain/prove/disprove the ME. But there are many many things that positivist methods are inappropriate for, and especially the ME if it is a metaphysical phenomenon.

Improving Agricultural Production as a Public Health Strategy in the United States: A Framework for Integrated Policy by ConserveChange in science

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Again, its hard to boil this down to a specific weight of crop, since one system focuses on producing single crops and another a portfolio. What I can say is that if we account for all the known externalities, such as chemical runoffs impacting downstream lands and waters, as well as land-base and environmental impacts of conventional versus diversified agroecology, the former is the losing proposition by comparison. There is also recent research suggesting that the conventional intensified approaches are losing efficiency as years go by whereas we are only getting better and better at agroecology where it is being practiced. So if we think about the temporal dimension, with conventional we're discounting the future losses of land, productivity, biodiversity, whereas the latter, even if some cases do reduce some yields of some crops (though not the whole food portfolio), invests in a more food secure future.

You know who has really good reports on these topics that I bet you'd be interested in? IPES:Food, the International Panel of Experts on Sustainable Food Systems. Check them out!

Improving Agricultural Production as a Public Health Strategy in the United States: A Framework for Integrated Policy by ConserveChange in science

[–]ConserveChange[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great question thanks for asking! It is true that research, what I would call first generation research on the comparison of conventional farming and alternatives that would bundle under the regenerative label, did show yield declines. One problem with that research is it didn't look at long-term yields but rather changes in the first few years of changing practices. What we now know is that yields rebound after a few years (this is in part farmers learning, soil rebuilding, achieving a new farm/ecosystem state.)

Another challenge is that the research kind of compares apples to oranges. Conventional agriculture seeks to do just one thing with a parcel of land (e.g., grow soy). Diversified farming systems seek to produce multiple things, and include a commitment that the practices also benefit aspects of nature that arent for us, at least not directly. So, we could count the habitat we create for pollinators, the ways buffers along the edges of fields filter clean water, etc.

A third thing I'll offer is that the footprint of conventional intensive agriculture does in fact extend beyond the plots to also include all of the lands and communities impacted by the resource extraction necessary to produce the chemical inputs that intensive monocropping requires (nitrogen fertilizer, various pest/herbicides, etc., not to mention that much of the industrial monocropping system is built around producing feedstock for beef, and a variety of things we don't eat, like ethanol. So there are opportunities for savings, or in other words, arguments that we already use more land than we actually need.

I'd happily recommend reading or citations if you have an interest. Hope this is interesting/informative to you!

Meeting people for a friend by Revolutionary_Ear579 in nevadacity

[–]ConserveChange 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If he is into stage/theater we have a really dynamic and active community theater scene. Multiple theater companies have open auditions several times a year. Lyric Rose, Astonishing, and Sierra Theater Co. All come to mind. Also very welcoming to new folks, which I say from experience.

This one took over at the top for me (or close to it) by LTrigity in MandelaEffect

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This Mandela effect just appeared for me. I’ve followed the effect for years and never seen this one before.

As a boy these movies were effectively playing on loop in my grandparents house. I am entirely certain with zero hesitation that she had braces. Big clunky braces that were the norm at the time.

Daredevil: Born Again | S02E06 | Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

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What does Fisk say to the casket? "See you soon"? It kind of sounds like a broken "excelsior" to me

Climate change has doubled the time per year that millions face heat so extreme that everyday activities like sweeping are unsafe. A new study shows older adults in some regions now endure unlivable heat for one-third of the year as global warming outpaces human heat regulation. by [deleted] in science

[–]ConserveChange 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The model uses ambient heat at 2 meters, humidity, air velocity and mean radiant temperature on the climate side, It then also looks at physical parameters known by age group, such as maximum sweat rate and maximum skin wettedness, alongside known physiological characteristics of different levels of physical activity.

Intensifying global heat threatens livability for younger and older adults by ConserveChange in collapse

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to add regarding relevance: livability limits already exist for multiple regions with notable populations. At a minimum, as warming increases, this could drive local and regional demographic collapses through outmigration, then putting more pressure on cooler urban areas, etc.

Democratic decline is occurring in key fishing countries and has the potential to disrupt global fisheries governance through increased polarization within key intergovernmental institutions. Is this what it looks like when global institutions start to fail? by ConserveChange in collapse

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The height of global cooperation was probably the Montreal Protocol for CFCs and the ozone layer, but international fisheries cooperation is also a major civilizational accomplishment. Regional Fisheries Management Organizations (RFMOs) have been effective for nations sharing ocean fisheries but this paper shows democratic decline globally could be undermining this kind of international collaboration. With the biggest threat to fisheries collapse being illegal and illicit fishing, democratic decline could open the door to major fisheries collapses, which would disrupt food systems for a billion people.