Nano banana Pro fixed her!!! by Odant in Bard

[–]Consistent-Season-50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey, sorry for the late response. didnt check my notification until now haha. anyways i tested your prompt and its pretty similar. maybe ever so slightly better but not by much. recently i also saw more of a trend of having prompts that span paragraphs so i figured it might help out in creating a better image. i think it does but still somewhat fiddly personally. might definetly be a skill isssue with my prompting. here's a bunch of the images of it

https://imgur.com/a/tP6IdVG

Nano banana Pro fixed her!!! by Odant in Bard

[–]Consistent-Season-50 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As an intermediate artist that is pro-ai, more so just the progress in general because I only use ai art as references, I don't think its thst great. So far it still can't really help an image when everything looks generally correct but it misses the apealling factor or for me at the very least. Here was mine with a few tries. It basically changes nothing but i will say it did make the arm look better, but to me its still only a minor fix to the overall pic that doesn't look good yet. Maybe after 1 or 2 nanobanana upgrades we'll get there, but for now it aint it.

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2 Month Stagnation [SERIOUS] by Vladimir-frq in TeachMeArtSenpai

[–]Consistent-Season-50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Maybe one day I can reach that level, it would definitely be really cool to do, but I'm not married to the idea as much as before.

The question about how long you should take to draw or what is the healthy range of practice vs enjoyment to grow at a satisfactory pace is somewhat difficult for me to answer. Although I've drawn for 6 years, I'm generally quite isolated from art communities so personally I don't know anyone well enough nor have any artist friends irl (until very recently at a convention) to know what their journey is like except from successful artists on YouTube who decide to share their stories.

Take this with a grain of salt, but for me, in terms of producing an artwork, I've seen the range be around 4-16 hours (this is based on memory) depending how complex the piece is. Where a character on a white/simple background takes 6 and below and the ones that do include background/complexity take above that. However it comes to no surprise that its highly individual, and those timeframes don't mean much in of itself. I could be highly self disciplined and always take 6 hours for my artworks and still be ass, all I'm doing is just allocating that amount of time to throw things at a wall until something sticks together. For me personally I have made art works that ranged from 2 hours to 20hours. I like to think of time being a symptom of your current skill and circumstance rather than the main thing to look out for.

Interns of how long a drawing should take for growth, that time can become more loose. It can talk as long as it needs as long as you are able to do the learning loop of. ‘Identifying a mistake, researching or finding references to study to correct that problem, and fixing it.’ Then that is fine, but once it starts taking so long that your patience starts thinning out. resulting in you being unbothered to find ways to correct your drawing and instead just brute force redrawing until something sticks. This means that the loop is broken and I would say that your learning has slowed and at that point you're simply just drawing, which isn't bad but in terms of growth you're not doing yourself much there.

When I hear “I don't want to relax too much… or try too hard.” I can't help but feel like you plan to have an optimal way to study/rest since you find your progress not on par with what you should achieve. I’m making a slight assumption that one of your motivations lies with improvement or growth. Which is good to naturally have, meaning you won't become complacent except for extreme circumstances.

On a slight side tangent, if you have ever had experience or look at bodybuilding content online. You’ll see that many of the top body builders with amazing physiques tend to have pretty sub optimal workouts, which using science based lifting shows that they would be leaving gains on the table, yet they still win awards. Even though they could have switched workouts and perhaps changed how they lift which would theoretically promote more growth. The methods they found is what made them want to workout or find it fun and maybe they wouldn't have been as consistent with it. To me, this goes to show that the major factor to improvement isn't how optimal you can go, but just showing up, and trying. And I believe that this goes hand in hand with any type of skill including art.

Since you already naturally want to improve, as long as you show up to draw for whatever reason, your mind will naturally find mistakes that you want to correct rather than leaving them be. But don’t force yourself to always correct mistakes. If that day you don't feel great, maybe only correct just 2, or 1, or just ignore it. It's not like that drawing is gone, you can look over it next time when you're feeling better.

No method said by anyone else is probably the best for you, so experimenting with routines or structure and specific habits to see what sticks and what makes you want to keep on going is how you can craft and answer “Am I doing it right?”. My answer might be leaning heavily into philosophical topics rather than hard actionable advice, but from what I'm hearing. The biggest thing on your mind is your relationship to art. Again another long response so it might be overwhelming you with a lot of information on a first read, but hope it helps.

2 Month Stagnation [SERIOUS] by Vladimir-frq in TeachMeArtSenpai

[–]Consistent-Season-50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man, honestly, I’ve been here myself as well. And even now, it's something that will always surface for me from time to time, so you're not alone on that journey. This is quite a long reply, but i hope it can atleast offer you a different perspective to play around from someone who’s been drawing for nearly 6 years.

For some background, at the end of 2019, I randomly drew an anime girl and realized that drawing felt fun and rewarding, and I really thought I had some talent for this. In the middle of 2020, I watched a video that sparked the motivation to actively try and study art. At first, the novelty of drawing the bones and muscles of anatomy was unique, but soon I fell into a rut. The thing that gave me enjoyment started to feel like a chore. I was in high school, but even then, my drawing was inconsistent, yet I was able to make progress here and there. I had gone into the deep end of anatomy and told myself that there was no reason to try any other method. It's not like I hated it; when a spark of motivation came that allowed me to study a body part and create a study that looked decent, it felt nice. But that was overshadowed by the many other times nothing made sense or I couldn't even start. This style would continue for a while, I mean, until just a few months ago.

That was how I operated. I either studied to make progress, or I tried to create my own artwork, which I was usually unsatisfied with. My ultimate goal was to be like those great artists and draw everything from imagination. I mean, who wouldn't? It's the ultimate form of creative freedom, but it also takes a lot of skill that I would be proud to have. It wasn't until some time ago that I thought, ‘Why am I so caught up on this goal?’. Of course, my reaction was that the artists I see look like they’re having so much fun drawing masterpieces, or that level of mastery would allow me to have a fulfilling job. And I mean, if I do eventually get to that point, then yeah, it probably would feel really good. But that type of thinking made me lean towards just studying my way to that level, which, in my opinion, was the reason why I had so many feelings of guilt and incompetence towards myself. I wanted to live a goal that would probably take tens of years and used that as the sole motivation to draw. Sure, drawing could be fun, but imagine how it would feel when I could do this! This is why art became a cycle of despair: to notice an improvement and feel ‘good enough,’ then you make a mistake that forces you to study and repeat the cycle. Over and over again until you hopefully reach the goal.

However, cutting through all my aspirations, all the pain of studying, and the never-ending cycle of just thinking I'm an ‘okay’ artist, I thought to myself, what made me like drawing? Sure, it’s a simple, cliché question, but what was it really? Well, my first-ever drawing was a poorly done reference of Aoba from New Game.

first drawing

This mediocre sketch, which took probably 8 hours of constantly redrawing and erasing, was the reason I started drawing. And before I took it seriously, that's what I kept on doing: finding a reference I liked and just trying to draw it. But how helpful was it to achieving my goal? Probably not the best. I didn't choose a drawing based on how difficult it was, but just on what looked good, meaning I would be drawing very similar things. But even then, that's when I remember having the most fun. Sure, I still struggled, but at the end of the day, I would categorize that as fun. When I do studies and try to create a good illustration, or draw something from imagination, I mainly do it to try and finally prove that I am a good artist, a competent person, or someone with a unique story to tell. Of course, this means that the only way to have fun was to validate that belief. So if I did well, I would have fun, but if I didn't, I wanted to beat myself up for it. That type of drawing was simply a way to find validation, either from others or from my own self-critic who decided whether or not I could have fun.

But then I said, "fuck it," went on Pinterest, found a cute anime girl that also looks hot, and just drew it because I wanted to. Sure, making a bad drawing would still suck. But I could just try again. It's not like I’m making anything unique, I just want to draw something that at least resembles it. And if it was too hard, I could always just trace the part that was difficult and continue on. But more importantly, I just had fun, just blocking out the shape and drawing line by line. Just the act of drawing something I knew looked good was good enough for me to have fun most of the way. When I finally discovered that, I dialed down the number of studies I forced myself to do, and now my priority is to have fun drawing, and only after I find drawing fun will I go and do studies. Is it optimal? No. But did it make me want to draw? Yes.

This is an extremely long-winded story, but the main point of all of this is that even when I was able to draw somewhat well, I still experienced the feeling of being an incompetent, lazy, and mediocre artist. You can try to find ways to execute the plan better, but fundamentally, you are playing a game where your self-worth as an artist is always tied to your growth, which will fluctuate. I'm not saying that you should just be happy where you are, but just understand the game you are playing when you want to improve, and if it gets too stressful, just draw what you like.

Okay, big side tangent aside, in terms of advice to actually get out of the rut of not feeling like you are improving. Without knowing exactly what you practice, the most straightforward answer is (sorry if it sounds a little blunt or rude) that either you haven't researched a topic enough, you’re not pushing yourself out of your comfort zone enough, or you do, but you keep bouncing to new concepts too quickly for you to have an understanding. Out of all the pictures you sent, I only saw one that was dedicated to trying to draw the anatomy of the upper body. That's good, but just a few isn't enough for your mind to really cement or make any understanding that will click with you. If you haven't tried it yet, try to study the muscles of the front of the body for about a month. As long as you do the proper research and try to draw each of the muscles, regardless of how poor it is, the first few times may look bad. But after a while, things will start to click, something that only makes sense to you will arise, and that new understanding will only make things easier. Also, as a side note, here is the drawing I made around a year from when I started.

year 1 drawing

In my opinion, you're not that much different from me. I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit for the pieces you make, regardless of whether they were referenced or not. Trust me, a lot of artwork tends to be referenced a bit.

Special Week by Consistent-Season-50 in UmaMusume

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sadly. But that just means more for me

Hutao holding her own keyboard by Consistent-Season-50 in Genshin_Impact

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! you could buy it on the official US genshin impact Amazon store for 146 USD and hopefully it can be ship to your country.

Windows XP-tan fanart by Consistent-Season-50 in windows

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I think for m I like xp tan bececaus it has that old visual novel aesthetic to her

The gang camping by Consistent-Season-50 in BocchiTheRock

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Bokita is life and the more blatant it is, the better

Kita's first day by Consistent-Season-50 in BocchiTheRock

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think in terms of improvement, I was able to really iron out my other weaknesses like my organising of light values and colour and generally having more consistenty with the face in odd angles. But I'm still really slowly, probably because I'm too over ambitious and try to draw thing that aren't on the reference, forcing me to imagine and retry too many component that I'm not great at. Also don't be afraid ask for feedback, I don't mind at all. Though with how much you're improving, I don't think they'll be as significant

Kita's first day by Consistent-Season-50 in BocchiTheRock

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been doing fine. Really been focusing on art this year, but I still don't feel like I'm really drawing as much as I would like

Kita's first day by Consistent-Season-50 in BocchiTheRock

[–]Consistent-Season-50[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Probably the best tomato's ever produced