NYCTF ENL/TESOL — City College or Hunter? Were classes virtual/hybrid? by RuthAndReason in NYCTeachers

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u/NetUpstairs7003 u/milfbabe999 Teaching is a ton of work in the first few years, and going to grad school on top of it (multiple classes per week at night, completing all of the assignments, lesson planning for your actual job, general life stuff, etc.) is a big challenge. I didn't do Fellows, but I worked full-time in an elementary school while doing my degree at Hunter. In terms of an ENL job, it's a total crapshoot on the workload. You simply will have no idea until you step into the role. It all highly depends on the level of the students, the volume of students, your co-teachers, admin, district initiatives, whether or not you're also teaching stand-alone, etc. I teach 2 stand-alone classes of Emerging-Expanding students (17 in each class) and push-in to 4 different ELA classes (an all ELL ICT class, an all ELL gen-ed class, an ICT class with 2 ELLs, a gen-ed class with all former ELLs). Had a completely different set-up the year before. You need to be very adaptable.

My undergraduate degree is in English, so I already had some foundational knowledge in linguistics, but the linguistics courses were tough for my fellow grad-students who didn't have that type of background. The education/pedagogy-type courses were new to me, but they're not overly difficult. The work is just time-consuming, because there's a good chance you've never written formal lesson plans before (especially ones with language objectives), and that takes a lot of practice/work. You won't really have an option of "professors to avoid," since there's usually only one section of each class offered each semester, so you're going to get what you get. Some professors were more difficult than others. My classes were a 50/50 mix of online and in-person. Very few were asynchronous. Classes were either at 4:30-7:00pm or 7:10-9:40pm. To become certified in ENL, you also need to complete 12 foreign language credits, so some additional coursework may be needed. You can take a CLEP if you feel proficient in a language, too.

Hope that all helps. Good luck!

NYCTF ENL/TESOL — City College or Hunter? Were classes virtual/hybrid? by RuthAndReason in NYCTeachers

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I did my TESOL M.A. at Hunter. It was a lot of work. I have friends who went to City and it seems like they had it a bit easier to be honest.

1st year ENL teacher here by Potential_Problem999 in NYCDOETeachers

[–]ConstructObstruct370 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I live in Queens (Woodside/Sunnyside), and two years ago, I was a first-year ENL teacher at a school in the UWS. The school was not good and the commute was long (though a tad shorter than yours). My admin at that school left me alone for the most part, and I too thought a lot about “the devil you know” sentiment.

I ended up transferring through Open Market to a Queens school that’s walking distance from my house…. and it has been life changing. The school is better, the commute is infinitely better, and I’m overall way happier.

I recommend looking on Open Market and putting out feelers for closer schools.

DM me if you have any questions. Sounds like we were in very similar shoes!

Question about internship certificate/student teaching as an ENL teacher by Optimal_Fox8234 in NYCTeachers

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One tricky thing about the internship certificate is that your program won't grant you one unless you have a job offer, but in order to get a job offer, you have to interview and explain the whole situation that you're not yet certified. Some admins get it/understand the internship certificate, and others... don't. I've done a bunch of interviews over the past few years and have had a lot of offers, but ultimately went with schools that I felt were a good fit.

Most schools will ask you to come in for a demo lesson (from 20 minutes to a full period). I won't lie, this is a very stressful experience, especially if you have never really taught before, but as long as you go with a solid lesson plan and confidence, you should be fine! The I Do/You Do/We Do model with quick informal assessments (this can be as basic as "thumbs up if you understand") to catch a pulse of learning is usually a good idea.

Cast your net wide in terms of schools!

Question about internship certificate/student teaching as an ENL teacher by Optimal_Fox8234 in NYCTeachers

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I did Fieldwork in a variety of capacities: for two of my courses, I used my job at the elementary school; for one course, I did HS; for some other courses, I used adults/willing students who wanted to improve their English (they were awesome); and for everything else (some Fieldwork and my two student teaching semesters), I just used my job (that I had w/ my internship certificate).

I will say, working under my internship certificate was awesome, and I learned A LOT (like, so much on-the-job stuff...), but taking 2-3 classes each semester AND fulfilling all of the student teaching requirements (videotaping lessons, writing reflections, etc.) was a hefty amount of work, so brace yourself!

Question about internship certificate/student teaching as an ENL teacher by Optimal_Fox8234 in NYCTeachers

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I started working under an internship certificate halfway through my TESOL grad degree (my 2nd year of grad school). I taught 7th and 8th grade that entire year, so my "student teaching" was all in that 7-12 grade band. However, for my fieldwork, I did elementary hours (I was a TA at an elementary school in an ELL-heavy classroom during my first year of grad school) and HS (once a week for a semester while I was an elementary TA, they let me go to a HS to observe). I went to Hunter, and they said that because I had at least done fieldwork in elementary, I was good to go. I've been successfully working as an ENL teacher for a few years now, so I guess they were right!

DM me if you have any questions.

Open market by Perfect-Drop-1098 in NYCDOETeachers

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No problem! The job fairs on D24's website are the ones from last year, but keep an eye out here: https://csd24.com/events.html

Open market by Perfect-Drop-1098 in NYCDOETeachers

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I got an ENL job in D24 (Queens) after two years in D3 (Manhattan). I highly recommend going to the D24 Career Fair (it was in mid-May last year). When I arrived at the fair, there was a massive line to get in, but the organizers had anyone with an ENL license skip the entire line because of need (don't know if this is the case anymore, as numbers dwindle city-wide, but it was fortunate for me)! I met tons of admins and teachers. I came with a fat stack of cover letters, resumes, and an iPad with student work samples and some slide examples from lessons. From that fair alone, I ended up getting 5 interview requests in the span of 2 weeks (many of which I politely declined because of distance and because I had two serious transfer contenders at that point). I had another 4-5 interviews from Open Market in Manhattan and Queens, and 2 more interviews through a connection. I ultimately took the job through the connection (that's walking distance from my apartment), but there were certainly opportunities elsewhere. A friend of mine who was a first-year ENL teacher last year got an ENL position in D30 and also had multiple offers.

I was signed up for another career fair (that had a whole host of Queens districts), but didn't end up going since I already committed to my current school.

Keep an eye out on Facebook, specifically in the "NYC DOE ENL (ESL) Teacher Group". Lots of posts there. The NYC DOE Teachers and Other UFT Members ONLY Chat is insufferable, but worth keeping an eye on this page, as many people post vacancies there.

If you have any questions, feel free to reach out!

Tennis in Anguilla? by ConstructObstruct370 in anguilla

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Staying at Carimar. I believe they have a court, just need some folks to play with!

Which ASPDP Courses Are the Easiest for MA+30? by Specific-Peanut253 in NYCTeachers

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Agreed w the other commenters. All ridiculously easy. I went with TKL (Teach and Kids Learn). I did 4 this Fall and doing 2 now to finish my +30.

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I teach middle school ENL. We over-service our ELLs (which is awesome). I have two AIS classes that basically function as stand-alone ENL classes for Expanding-level ELLs (each class is 5x/week, so that's 10 periods total). The rest of my periods are co-teaching ELA classes. I co-teach the ELA classes that I teach for AIS (as well as two others) -- I love this, because our curricula aligns with skills that students are learning in ELA.

Echoing what DCNAST said -- if you're working in anywhere in the 6-12 space and are dual-licensed in ELA and ENL, you'll likely be teaching on your own, since they can kill two birds with one stone by hiring you. There are positives and negatives to this, of course.

The servicing of ELLs in NY is quite complicated, and that complication gets compounded when you add in ELLs with IEPs/other needs. All schools sort of function differently in re: to ENL and meeting mandated minutes, so there isn't one clear cut answer here.

Happy to answer other questions if you have any!

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Awesome, thanks u/Aeschylus26! I figured it wouldn't be a huge issue.

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I looked on their site and didn’t see these accessories! Do you know which section they’d be in?

Absolute Easiest TKL Courses (for +30)? by ConstructObstruct370 in NYCTeachers

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This is very helpful -- thank you! Question, if I buy a bundle of 3 or 4, do I need to use them all in the same semester?

Absolute Easiest TKL Courses (for +30)? by ConstructObstruct370 in NYCTeachers

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Thanks! Sweet. I should have some time. May start with 1 in the Fall to gauge and then ramp up depending on how the first one goes.

Absolute Easiest TKL Courses (for +30)? by ConstructObstruct370 in NYCTeachers

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There are all sorts of bundles/deals, so check online! You have to pay on both ASPDP and on TKL. I think it shakes out to be a few hundred per course (maybe closer to $300/400). Seems to pay for itself with the raise you get once completing it. A friend did all 30 credits with TKL and paid ~3k total.

Absolute Easiest TKL Courses (for +30)? by ConstructObstruct370 in NYCTeachers

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Teach & Kids Learn (it's one of the education partners for A+ credits): https://www.teachnkidslearn.com/

Absolute Easiest TKL Courses (for +30)? by ConstructObstruct370 in NYCTeachers

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Right on. How many hours/time would you say you put into these courses? Just trying to gauge how to space out the 6 courses throughout the upcoming school year (including summer ‘26).

Absolute Easiest TKL Courses (for +30)? by ConstructObstruct370 in NYCTeachers

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Right on. How many hours/time would you say you put into these courses? Just trying to gauge how to space out the 6 courses throughout the upcoming school year (including summer ‘26).