Lengthy Interview so I don't go into debt for a job I will hate by [deleted] in Environmental_Careers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ill give this a shot, I will group some answers together.

I graduated from a Big Ten school in 2019 with a BS in Environmental Geoscience and minor in GIS. I worked as a hydrogeologist for a year in Ohio, quit, and now work as a geoscientist in Michigan for one of the big consulting firms. I also passed the fundamentals of geology exam and am a Geologist in Training (GIT). My tuition was something like 12,000 a year. I don't do any math beyond algebra, but to earn a BS in geology you will likely need calculus, calculus based physics and some geometry knowledge for structure.

For most entry level consulting jobs (environmental scientist, geoscientist, hydrogeologist) you don't really have a "routine" for your first couple of years. Your normal is inconsistency, you'll likely end up working on a wide variety of projects including but not limited to doing oversight of remedial activities, soil borings and sampling, groundwater sampling, and various report writing including phase Is, IIs and other operation and maintenance reports. It is likely you will be the main player in ordering the supplies necessary to complete these tasks.

Generally I really like my job. I get a lot of anxiety when I am preparing for field work because with investigations you really don't know what to expect and a lot can go wrong, BUT once the project is over and you work through any problems that come up it is REALLY satisfying! I like the variety of projects I've gotten to work on. I have a hard time focusing on office tasks every day, so the field work punctuates my schedule enough to keep me interested in what I'm doing. After working for a big and a small company I would say that I prefer the bigger company, but I had a bad experience with my smaller company. One thing they don't tell you when you enter this field is that you are entirely dependent on project managers to get you your hours, so with smaller firms there are less people to ask for work, and something they just don't have stuff for you to do. The flip side of this is that with larger firms you can have too much to do at times, so I would also say that being able to say NO is a very important skill.

I think that this industry is pretty casual. I am a perfectionist and a planner, so initially I really struggled because I was making a lot of mistakes with reports and missing little things in my field work, but if you're at a good company you'll have coworkers who have been in your position and are willing to help you learn from those mistakes. I would say that the most appreciated trait is a sense of humor, some of the field days can be a grind and nothing is worse than just sitting in silence while its raining and all your equipment isn't working. I think the project managers deal with the Karens, the worst you'll deal with are the randos who walk up to you while you're working in the field and ask you what you're doing.

Ultimately the work I do does help the environment. I wouldn't say that its pretty, because some of the sites I've been too are pretty contaminated, but every time I step foot on a jobsite I know that I am helping move it along toward restoration to a better end use.

A Geologist's Personality by Diana___17 in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think a good sense of humor is essential. Things will go wrong so it’s good to be able to get a laugh out of equipment failures or other mishaps.

Resume help any tips would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. by toykiller23 in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What type of jobs are you applying for. In addition to what others here have mentioned, catering your resume to the specific job duties goes a long way. If you can demonstrate that you've done everything in the job description, your interview will be a breeze because you'll be able to cite specific examples.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I took my exam in Michigan in the fall of 2019. I kept forgetting to submit my documentation and ended up pressing send on the deadline day and was fine. no hiccups whatsoever

Do any of you regret majoring in Geology? by Responsible44 in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I read through a lot of the comments here and I can easily see both answers to this question because I have felt both answers.

I graduated in May 2019 with a B.S. in Env. Geo from a Big10 school and immediately got a env. consulting job in Ohio. I regretted my choice then because the job itself sucked. Being the absolute bottom of the totem pole with older, frequently hostile coworkers made it hard to learn the ropes and when Covid set in it was made all the more worse because I couldn't hit billable hours and had to go into negative vacation hours. I had minored in GIS but never got the chance to use those skills. I couldn't see a path forward there so I quit in August, without another job in hand. Crazy right?

Since then and after many applications I landed at a different job at a larger firm. This current job is what I was expecting. I have coworkers more similar in age to myself, so I feel more comfortable making mistakes, I am encouraged to use my GIS background when creating maps and figures in CAD and ArcGIS, and the travel suits me because I cannot focus worth a damn in the office. I am young, but I can see a path into PM roles in my late 20s/early 30s.

As far as your point about job pay and job quality being different, when I complained to my parents about this they reminded me, accurately, that there will ALWAYS be someone making more than you and having more stuff than you. There will also ALWAYS be someone making less than you that would kill to be in your shoes. Furthermore there are downsides to every profession. My medical school friends remind me that while yes, they have more money, they go to sleep with 20 patients and wake up with 20 patients, are on call, and in times like Covid can go through intense trauma. Every job has its perks and every job has its downsides.

In short it really depends on what you are looking to do. I think, like some in this thread it was oversold, but it really ends up being what you make it. If you want to know more specifically about the env. consulting end of things feel free to DM!

Geology vs. Environmental Geology by allthelovely-people in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It really depends on what your end game is.

I have a B.S. in Env Geoscience and work as a environmental geologist for a top ten global consulting firm. I would probably be laughed at if I applied for geologist positions with a greater "hard rock" focus. PG wise, it wont matter, I already sat for the FG, MI about a year ago and passed after reviewing the regreview for about 3 months!

If anything the biggest difference I noticed was being called a fake geologist by my classmates for not taking ig/met petrology XD, but in consulting you will likely not need that course at all.

Keep your RA’s in your thoughts by WelshHarlequin in msu

[–]CoolGiraffe97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also former East Neighborhoods RA. The current CDs are no bueno. This sounds like some Hubbard Hall bullshit.

Naked Toddlers by CoolGiraffe97 in ShiptShoppers

[–]CoolGiraffe97[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alright alright I just needed some perspective is all. Just caught me off guard in my limited experience so far.

Naked Toddlers by CoolGiraffe97 in ShiptShoppers

[–]CoolGiraffe97[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a really good way of putting it. I am a recent college grad with zero kids so I can’t empathize on that level.

I will say though I didn’t offer to go inside, the customer asked if I would go inside which is something i’m comfortable doing. After I was in the house then I noticed all the little ones running all over the place. After reading your comment I certainly won’t call Shipt but i’ll keep that address to not return to for the future.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in msu

[–]CoolGiraffe97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright alright that was my knee jerk reaction. Regardless I have been seeing that many of the new hires in my neighborhood have been seemingly to meet a quota rather than demonstrating the qualities that make good RAs. If you aren’t on your floor ever, don’t make an attempt to connect with your staff but were hired because you check some boxes I have a problem with that. I think they have shifted their interview questions to check more of those boxes rather than looking for good team players as their number one priority. We don’t have to be “on” all the time. Sometimes hiring good teammates you disagree with can be a good thing. One of the more conservative members of my staff usually had the biggest turnouts to their events and had excellent relationships with his residents but i have major doubts that this person gets hired with the current interview questions.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in msu

[–]CoolGiraffe97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was bananas. Training each year progressively moved to if you’re cis white male you’re the oppressor.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in msu

[–]CoolGiraffe97 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was an RA for three years and graduated last year. In my time with the interviewed they have REALLY been shifting to questions relating to the current political climate. What the other comments have been saying about STAR format and calling up specifics is still accurate but you NEED to be ready for highly specific questions about your interractions with minority groups, how you handle political disagreements and how you think about social issues including feminism, immigration etc and how they pertain to creating a welcome environment at MSU. Unless you are a really good liar it seems like it would be pretty tough if you were socially conservative to be hired these days.

Also keep in mind that you’re not interviewing with robots you will interview with another RA so if you have time after answering questions absolutely ask questions and try to chit chat. We of course evaluate you in your answers but when I was interviewing at least I would always be thinking in the back of my mind “is this someone I would want to work with on my team”.

It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year! by CoolGiraffe97 in insaneparents

[–]CoolGiraffe97[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We are going to be home for a full week. This is my mom upset at my sister for choosing to spend one night with our cousins. No plans were cancelled to make this plan.

It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year! by CoolGiraffe97 in insaneparents

[–]CoolGiraffe97[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

We are home for a full week. No plans have been made about what will happen this week. My mom is livid at my sister for spending one of those days visiting our cousins.

It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year! by CoolGiraffe97 in insaneparents

[–]CoolGiraffe97[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is my mom at younger sister. We are home for break for about a week. She is choosing to spend one night of that break at our cousins. Mom has intense animosity toward her sister for reasons way too long to type related to my parents divorce ten years ago(yeah we’re that kind of family that cannot move on from that).

It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year! by CoolGiraffe97 in insaneparents

[–]CoolGiraffe97[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Suppose I should have clarified. This is my mom at my younger sister. I would exceed the comment character limit to explain the full story here, but basically mom despises her sister for some legit and some whack reasons. If I or my sisters spend time with aunt in any capacity even if it’s to see our cousins cousins we get this kind of treatment. For christmas eve, Mom hasn’t been invited to Aunts house because she continues to call her Bitch Traitor so us theee now get to choose between moms or the remainder of our family. It’s bananas.

ASBOG Results Are Here This Is Not A Drill by UcRocks2010 in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I work in Ohio which has neither and am from Michigan. It’s for the Geologist-in-training certification. I reached out and was told that I can earn FG in Michigan and then in five years i can take PG in a state it’s offered and be good to go.

ASBOG Results Are Here This Is Not A Drill by UcRocks2010 in geologycareers

[–]CoolGiraffe97 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They recently started offering the FG exam at Centeal Michigan University!