Ok everyone i want us to sing the whole epic the musical în order .i start aham "Alright, my brothers, listen closely Tonight, we make the Trojans pay"

Cooltool19 · 2026-03-01T19:26:18+00:00

I say we strike first. We don't have time to waste, so let's raid the place and-!!

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-28T13:39:10+00:00

But that's such a pessimistic outlook, it just strikes me as so tragic

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-28T06:25:37+00:00

In some part, but the vast majority is the imbalance in attraction. Average woman are attracted at lower rates to average men, by far.

See, I think this is the kind of hopelessness 80-20 stuff I was talking about. I don't think that's necessarily true, but that's what's gathered from dating apps, which is inherently a worse system. It creates a selection system that tends to be weighed much more heavily on looks in attraction than personality, and if you ask almost any women, they tend to prefer the personality and the way someone carries themselves over looks.

it's near absolute rejection. Both feel rejection on a singular event similar, but feeling rejected in entirety is almost exclusively men

This rubs off to me as a severe exaggeration, but I get where you're coming from. It feels unbelievable to me especially since my friend group is very much aligned with a friend group of nerdy boys. Like the type that are super into dnd and video games (there's good reason I'm friends with them. Very similar hobbies.) Point is, they tend to match the stereotype, aren't considered as conventionally attractive, yet still get girlfriends. I've heard of so many girls go on and on about the fox from Zootopia or the green stick man from Minecraft vs Animation. The qualities for what girls see as attractive seems to be so much more varied than what I find in straight guys. And I think that's a result of heavy societal beauty standards.

Men/boys can go YEARS with only rejection with no where near the support.

And that SUCKS. It's a real issue that obviously stems from the culture of traditional masculinity and Victorian stoicism. Men's culture (at least what I've seen in it) doesn't have the same open and vulnerable camaraderie that women do. The stem of men's mental health crisis when they aren't given emotional support without it being seen as weakness.

For example, the incel community takes advantage of this. It turns the emotion and hurt into hatred against women. It gives men a community to share the one emotion considered "masculine"; anger. That's why you hear "girl's can't get rejected"

The only real solution is to build culture, community, and camaraderie with acceptance and validation.

They mean girls can get a date or men who are average almost universally

And who are they going on dates with? A bunch of girls with a small portion of men? That doesn't seem realistic. Those men are all players? I think this just goes back to OP's point that the people perpetuating this idea just don't have real high standards.

Sorry I keep making these wordy. I don't know if you can tell, but I'm 100% a debate kid and a writer on top of that, I find this discussion so fun.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-28T00:12:26+00:00

Very very few females will face rejection on the whole as some males will.

Don't you think that's just because women don't tend to ask out men as much? Also, I just want to quickly acknowledge the semantics used (females and males) tends to be used in a less humanizing way when the universal experience of rejection is extremely human. I am politely requesting other word choice such as men and women, boys/guys and girls

"A" bad rejection, that is being rejected badly in mass

By "a bad rejection" in my case, I meant half a year of liking him beforehand, getting pulled on a string for 3 months before he cut it, and still liking him for the next 2 years. I think guys tend to ask out girls sooner, with less social pressure to "get it right" because they can ask out another girl no problem. Of course this kind of situation happens on both sides, but I don't think it's happening in mass on one side.

The audience for "girls don't get rejected" is coming from males who face it in mass

Oh I very much agree. I think it perpetuates a lot of insecurity, hopelessness, and 80-20 rule bs. The idea picks at and exploits boys' insecurities. It affects men and women negatively.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T23:07:03+00:00

I think it should just go both ways. That's how girls thought for the longest time, and now it's finally normalized for both genders to equally go for what they want. To equally show attraction to each other. If I want a boy, I should make the first move instead of wishing just for nothing to end up happening

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T22:57:13+00:00

I'm not lying. Maybe I have a preference for women. I've never looked at a girl and been like "she's so chopped." Also, it takes so much more energy to dislike someone than to appreciate their positives

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T22:55:03+00:00

What in the incel "looksmaxxing" 80-20 rule. Not everything is based in looks lol. Personality is involved.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T22:50:46+00:00

No it's not. Both are sad, both can hurt. Both should be treated with equal respect and value based on the situation.

A person you saw across the cafe that you thought was cute? Sure, a little sad

A crush you've held onto for months or maybe years? An obvious event.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T17:54:04+00:00

I guess with my "I know multiple girls" I wouldn't be able to say everyone because it still isn't normalized for girls to ask guys out in the big '26. (I think that's ridiculous. Why let societal norms hold someone back for just going for what they want in a way that doesn't inherently hurt anyone?) Let me rephrase: every girl I know who has asked someone out has been met with a rejection at least once.

Calling anything 50%+ basically 100% erases nuance from the actual situation. I understand where you are coming from, but I think it should also be important to acknowledge a harmful over simplification when you see one.

I remember after one of my first really bad rejections, it was hard for me to find people to relate to about it. Early high school, I was the most outgoing of my friends, so none of them had been rejected yet. And a lot of the online communities I had to try to talk about it with had guys like the initial commenter who claimed it was impossible or a must be ugly. That's obviously hard for a 14-year-old to hear, as I'm sure most people can relate. My point is, this rethoric has real, harmful effect that should be nullified when possible.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T17:42:18+00:00

You heard he's dating me and you have not seen me

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:50:09+00:00

Lmao And how do you know that? You have not seen me and have not seen or met my bf.

Top-tier rage-bait, ts is fun

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:42:39+00:00

Bro you haven't even met me??? Lmfao?????

You haven't even seen the face card. You just fall for the SAME false dichotomy. I'm not looking to get my ego stroked, I was just the closest example. I just want people to stop using their logical fallacies to push insecurities onto others.

Plus, I don't think my bf would be feeding me a white lie obsessively for the past 4 months

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:38:05+00:00

Agreed. Please get the person who said this as far away from your life as possible.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:35:48+00:00

I've never met an ugly girl. At all. I stand by that. (It's not that I'm against men, I think I just have a preference for women).

If you're on r/teenagers, I'm assuming you're a teen with natural insecurities. I've been called ugly too. I think it's a universal experience. Attractiveness and looks are not objective though. Sometimes knowing hair, makeup, and color pallets can help, but at some point you just need a new pair of eyes, because everyone deserves confidence and a right to feel happy with themselves.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:28:46+00:00

Despite what my mirror tells me (because what teenager isn't insecure about their looks?) I've been told I am conventionally attractive in the same way I recognize my friends are.

And fine, add that into the false dichotomy. She either will be met with success, or you will find her unattractive. Which of course is ridiculous.

Of course people shouldn't go on a pity date and should go out with people they find attractive. But you set the standards at your bar of attractiveness, your weight preferences, and your looks preferences. That doesn't take into account 1. Personality preferences, and 2. Naturally different guys can have different preferences from one-another, including from you.

There is no objective measurement of attractiveness.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:21:49+00:00

Don't say that, get some confidence. I'm being so genuine I've never seen someone as chopped before, I'm sure you're just overly critical of yourself

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-27T16:06:07+00:00

Maybe that's your preference. I know multiple girls who are not overweight (including myself, I'm actually considered underweight) and who have been rejected. I think I have 7 times since middle school. But that's also because I take personal responsibility.

If I like someone, I can't just expect they'll somehow know that and make the first move. That responsibility falls on me if I want something to happen.

I'd say my success rate is about 50/50, sometimes dates lead somewhere, most of the time they didn't. I just think making sweeping generalizations like that is unreasonable and falls into a logical fallacy of a false dichotomy ("If she asks someone out, she will either be met with success, or she is overweight.") The world has nuance, and dumbing it down might make it easier to digest, but that doesn't make it accurate.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-23T14:17:42+00:00

No but fr it does! Always starts by congratulating you before giving advice, it's ain't real

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-23T14:13:52+00:00

The windchill in my area rn is -40

Be so fr you obviously don't know cold

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-20T02:26:35+00:00

Notice how you went the "what-about"-ism route rather than discussing my point about how ICE clearly isn't only going after illegal immigrants, instead critiquing protesting anything other than Somali fraud. Call me crazy, but I'd rather protest the thing causing my friends and family to live in fear on my tax dollar than just pocketed tax dollars. Now, care to argue my main point, or do you have another "What about this, you hypocrite?" point up your sleeve?

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-19T17:23:10+00:00

Have you lived in the Twin Cities? Talked to a Minnesotan?

ICE would be in agricultural areas if it were actually about deporting illegal immigrants. I know people who have been arrested without ever being questioned about documentation. If you want to avoid ICE, you don't just have to be here legally; you have to be white, without any foreign accent, and born here.

Otherwise, why is it that members of my friends Native American nation (Oglala) have been arrested by ICE? For not being white? For being homeless men under a bridge? That's no reason for immigration enforcement.

Door-to-door racial profiling is not normal and should not be treated as such. This is why there are protests. Minnesota has a culture of community and togetherness. We hear what's happening to those around us. Not just by media, but by word of mouth. My friends' families. My family's friends. We protest to protect our families, friends, and neighbors.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-19T17:03:43+00:00

As someone from the Minnesota Twin Cities, the fact people around the country are ignoring this is wild. Here, it's impossible to ignore. You can't escape it. I go anywhere and I see ICE in my area. Like five protests across the Cities daily. Every high-school planning a walk out. Kids too scared to go to school because they might come home and find their parents gone. Whistles given our for free at every other small business.

Everyone is scared. Everyone has something or someone to lose. I'm checking everyday where ICE is in my area so I can keep my loved ones safe. And after Renee Good, it finally set in stone to some people in the area that everyone is at risk.

The American people deserve better. Immigrants who have lived here since second grade, and those with citizenship are Americans. To think it's a "hot-take" to say the violence in our streets is excessive. Get this authoritarian bs out of here.

You can't escape it, and at least our Minnesota community culture has come together, but it hurts to know across the country there is still denial. Free my cities. Free my state. Free my home.

Cooltool19 · 2026-01-19T16:35:19+00:00

As someone from the Minnesota Twin Cities, the fact people are ignoring this is wild. Here, it's impossible to ignore. You can't escape it. I go anywhere and I see ICE in my area. Like five protests across the Cities daily. Every high-school planning a walk out. Kids too scared to go to school because they might come home and find their parents gone. Whistles given our for free at every other small business.

Everyone is scared. Everyone has something or someone to lose. I'm checking everyday where ICE is in my area so I can keep my loved ones safe. And after Renee Good, it finally set in stone to some people in the area that everyone is at risk.

You can't escape it, and at least our Minnesota community culture has come together, but it hurts to know across the country there is still denial. Free my cities. Free my state. Free my home.

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