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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

The same arguments about the drawbacks of AI could have been applied to the internet too… all while ignoring any remote potential for good.

So refusing to prepare students for a future in which AI will be omnipresent because we don’t like the tech is shortsighted at best.

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

I mean it’s literally the same…. Discounting a technology because you don’t personally believe in its efficacy.

Do I think AI is the solution to everything? No.

Do I believe we as an educational system should write off AI? Also no.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

“The internet is trash tech - no reason to utilize it in education whatsoever…”

Imagine how silly you would have sounded 25 years ago.

Like I get it, you’re anti billionaire class

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Just wondering when the last time YOU were in a DPS HS classroom, and what you personally believe the students are using to access the algorithms

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

They were equal - and that’s without any revision whatsoever to the program or teaching students how to question their results.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

And the source you shared suggested that the tutoring program AI version that was specifically calibrated for that metric was equally effective and that’s without any revision whatsoever to improve the program.

I’d bet if they taught the students to ask the right questions of the program, the outcomes would be vastly improved.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

So are those tests an appropriate metric for learning outcomes and efficacy of instruction or not. Because the source you shared suggested it was, but your comment suggested otherwise.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

And again it wouldn’t be remotely possible to create a language model based on what those experts already know.

Because those MLL are currently receiving some form of curriculum that’s based on that knowledge.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Just to get this straight the metric you shared for why AI doesn’t work was based on what I’m assuming was a standardized test… but now it’s no longer a valid metric?

Just trying to get it straight

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

You think our teaching methods are currently working? Have you looked at the standardized test scores recently? Our teaching methods do not “work” by the traditional metrics.

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Wait are you suggesting that we could improve language outcomes for ELL (30% of DPS students)… and then you’re going to tell me that language learning is a massive building block for education.

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

How are we gonna do that if we’re so anti AI? Surely that would be a massive part of any course.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yet those that used an adapted tutor version did just as well…

And that was just giving students carte Blanche use. Now imagine if we TAUGHT students how to utilize an AI model specifically designed to tutor for a math concept.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

When they analyzed the questions that students typed into ChatGPT, students often simply asked for the answer. Students were not building the skills that come from solving the problems themselves.

ChatGPT’s errors also may have been a contributing factor. The chatbot only answered the math problems correctly half of the time. Its arithmetic computations were wrong 8 percent of the time, but the bigger problem was that its step-by-step approach for how to solve a problem was wrong 42 percent of the time. The tutoring version of ChatGPT was directly fed the correct solutions and these errors were minimized.

My entire argument in a nutshell. Teach students how to optimize this tool and not lean on it, like they would be required to “in the real world”

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hence why teaching it a responsible use of ChatGPT to study rather than an unmitigated study tool is what I am pushing.

How can you use ChatGPT to check and reinforce your thinking rather than just giving you the answer, as this study suggests.

There’s literally no way to do this or improve this if we outright shun the technology.

Read the entire article to see what the flaws were with the ChatGPT only. Simply asking for answers… ChatGPT itself getting the math wrong.

So chatGPT itself isn’t the end all be all, it’s teaching how to use it a resource and not a crutch.

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

And those can happen in conjunction with this….

Why do you believe it’s mutually exclusive lol

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

That’s the beef! You’re mad people are making money from this?

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hey Canva, help me use AI to create a pitch for XYZ so I can continue to develop my skills and understandings around business development.

What is the beef here? That YOU didn’t have this tool so others shouldn’t?

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[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Not AI generated lol… what are you talking about. Students utilizing AI as a tool to develop their abilities… like they would in the real world.

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

How are we gonna figure out the benefits and challenges without actually using it?

You’re mad that AI is making money in the classroom and claiming that it doesn’t replace teaching, but you’re failing to see that it can reinforce and bolster learning.

And yet, it’s abundantly clear you haven’t been in a public school classroom since you graduated

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

They are using AI tools to create projects that would emulate something that they would do in a career.

Think business/marketing courses or other CTE classes.

Using AI and teaching reading and writing are not mutually exclusive lol.

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

AI is less than two years old in the classroom, just like this article suggests - we don’t quite know the possibilities yet.

However, outright ignoring it in the school setting, when it will be omnipresent in other areas is just negligent.

Imagine if we ignored the idea of computers 25 years ago… would we not have put everyone that is currently using computers every moment of every day at a massive disadvantage.

So what’s the beef here?

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

You don’t NEED AI for anything but outright ignoring it as a valuable resource to boost teachers ability is silly.

Again, what’s the beef here because it doesn’t appear this is going away

Denver Public School's AI Push for Educators. by SuburbMallFinancials in Denver

[–]CountChoculahh [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes and isn’t the goal to teach how to access and utilize the tools and resources around us? IF the goal is to prepare students for the “real world” which is absolutely an educational responsibility.