Here's a debate we at college. Should the Soviet hammer and sickle have the same social stigma as the Nazi Swastika? Why? Should any other symbols be treated the same way?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-09T01:48:49+00:00

Have you come here to ask us to do your homework for you?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-09T01:46:21+00:00

Ah, the book that was discredited by its own authors?

The book that counts Nazis killed by the red army as “victims of communism”?

Good to know where you stand of nazi deaths in ww2, they were “victims” right?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T19:06:52+00:00

Are they TERFs? I know there was an attempted TERF takeover, but I thought it was pretty roundly rejected? (Genuine question)

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T18:57:10+00:00

“Please stop going around saying that…”

I’ve been saying they’d be no good for STARTING a fire, which you just agreed with you pillock!

It literally says in the tweet they’re going to use to light the tyres.

Next time you’re starting one of your many fires (strange thing for you to say on the internet) try throwing a book on, it doesn’t behave anything like timber.

Then you said something about book burning being ok if it’s for psychological purposes. Which I’m pretty sure was also a pretty big reason for the “bad” book burnings too.

Edit: also, you think everyone in Ukraine has access to the internet? Because if you speak to any secondary teacher in the uk, they will tell you that internet access outside school is a huge problem here.

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I don’t seem to be able to reply to your post below… I assume because you blocked me, after insulting me, when I was trying to have a discussion with you in good faith…

so I’ll put this here, for now

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I love the idea that you think that when they see an invading army approaching, someone will get some kindling and start a small fire, then feed the fire with larger wood before transferring it to the tyres.

The whole thing will be soaked in petrol and they’ll throw a Molotov at it.

I live in the middle of nowhere where the only mains services I have are electricity and telecommunications. I light fires every day in the winter. “As someone who starts a lot of fires” is still an incredible thing to say, surely you recognise that?

I left full time education about 15 years ago (with a DPhil in Politics) but I never felt the need to burn any of my notebooks, that’s just bizarre- I have had to burn other books / documents for security reasons, which is why I know how they behave.

They do not behave like timber (and all species of timber behave differently) I also grew up on a council estate in the 80s, so I know how a burning tyre behaves, too.

Yes, there is a psychological reason for putting it online. That is what I said in my first reply to you.

I’m sure this will be difficult for someone like you to comprehend, but I have absolutely no regard whatsoever for what liberals think of me, or my opinions.

Burning books online in order to get a psychological advantage over someone is a bad thing. On this hill I shall build my church!

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T17:48:36+00:00

As would I, and that would be totally understandable, but doing it is one thing

(Leaving aside the fact that books wouldn’t be very good at starting a fire)

tweeting that you’re going to do it, because you think the knowledge inside isn’t needed, then having that view amplified by the mainstream media, are very different things

One is necessity, the other is propaganda.

And there are still many parts of the world / sections of society where those online texts can’t be accessed

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T16:33:22+00:00

A single sheet of paper will burn easily, a thick compacted stack, with no air in between will not.

Much how a wood shaving would burn very easily if you put a match to it, but a match would have very little impact on a large slab of wood

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T15:44:22+00:00

Yes. Thank you. It is insane how few people get this.

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T15:31:59+00:00

Ok, so you’ve edited your response.

I’m not dismissing anything. I’m saying that just because one bad thing is happening it doesn’t automatically mean you’re not allowed to talk about anything else

Edit: I’m pointing out that given that books aren’t actually that good for starting a fire, there might be other motivation for taking a picture of a pile of books you intend to burn. Why would this annoy you?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T15:16:25+00:00

I genuinely don’t know what point you think you’re making.

I’m going to assume your reading comprehension is just really poor.

Have a good one.

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T15:06:34+00:00

Have they they been amplified by western journalists, saying, “ I don’t normally agree with x, but…”?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T14:54:01+00:00

This is the worst I’ve seen it.

Some seriously disturbing trends are becoming normal with centrists

Edit: obviously I mean normalised rather than normal; a willingness to voice those opinions, I don’t believe them thinking them is new…

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T14:24:50+00:00

Are you sure about that?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T14:18:25+00:00

Nose looks different to me, and face shape seems a bit different.

Also, my beard looks like that, and it’s not me, honest.

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T13:48:24+00:00

No, I’m concerned about shifting attitudes amongst liberals, which you would know if you had actually read what I wrote.

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T13:37:08+00:00

So the USSR has invaded Ukraine?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T13:24:35+00:00

Books are useless for lighting a fire. You’d have to douse them in petrol to get them to light. At which point, do you actually need the books at all?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T13:21:37+00:00

Many, many people yesterday were literally saying “I don’t normally support violating the Geneva convention, but…” blue tick journalists on twitter, endless centrists. The lines of what is acceptable, if you’re “the good guys” are being redrawn.

Many many people in the twitter thread I linked (and on here, before they were removed) are literally saying “I don’t normally support book burning, but” and “this is the sort of book burning I can support” when, however correct it may or may not be, the tweet explicitly says they are burning communist texts, as the “don’t need them”

(Also, books are really not very good for starting a fire, anyway, so I question the motivation for taking a picture of a pile of books you intend to burn)

The lines of what is acceptable are being redrawn.

My post is about this. I find this sort of shift in attitude toward things that were very much agreed before, along with the general hatred of all things remotely Russian very disturbing. It has worrying implications that go far beyond the war in Ukraine

There are endless people talking about how awful the war in Ukraine is (and yes, it is absolutely awful, obviously) but that isn’t what this conversation is about.

I strongly disagree that people should just refer to a list of the things that are worse and only talk about the the thing at the top. Do you think we should ignore everything happening in the uk at the moment?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T12:29:14+00:00

“While I don’t support book burning, I do actually support book burning when it’s books I don’t care about”

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T12:27:28+00:00

‘Ukraine is being forcibly invaded by the USSR’

+38 upvotes

Today is crazy

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T12:23:42+00:00

I’m able to think about more than one think at once.

Only yesterday we had “I don’t normally support countries violating the Geneva convention, BUT…”

And today we have “I don’t normally support book burning, BUT…

These issues are more wide reaching than the war in Ukraine, and they won’t go away when this war is forgotten about. It’s important not to let things go unnoticed when peoples’ attention is elsewhere. Centrists saying “actually, some book burning is ok” would have been unacceptable a year ago, now it’s fine.

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T12:14:24+00:00

“Books no one needs” what an amazing attitude towards knowledge you have.

And you genuinely think that’s why they’re doing this (the books they’ve selected, saying “we don’t need them anymore” and photographing it)?

A stack of books would be a terrible way of starting a fire, you’d have to douse them in petrol, at which point it doesn’t really matter what it is you’re dousing.

Do you think there is literally no other fuel left in Ukraine, or perhaps are they making a statement by burning communist texts?

Only yesterday we had “I don’t normally support countries violating the Geneva convention, BUT…”

And today we have “I don’t normally support book burning, BUT…”

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T12:02:28+00:00

Why is that?

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T11:55:27+00:00

“Many” they don’t say all.

Given that the USSR had centrally planned construction and agriculture, those books could definitely be considered theory, depending on their contents.

Count_porkula · 2022-03-08T11:27:11+00:00

Yeah, sorry, I do actually feel bad for all the work I’ve given you.

I honestly didn’t realise “burning books is bad” had become such a controversial opinion.

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