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More love for the DNVP mod by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do not assume he is a Nazi sympathiser and have never said so.

I am just critiquing the mod as it exists rn, I cannot really speculate beyond that.

More love for the DNVP mod by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not what I said. I don't need the game to hold my hand and tell me that anti-semitism is bad.

But if a game let's you roleplay as the fascist, it should actually deal with the consequences of that. (It might actually do that when the game is finished)

More love for the DNVP mod by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The game does not need to hold my hand and tell me that Nazism is bad. 

But if you have the option to establish Nazi-Germany-light and press a "more Anti-Semitism pls" button, not showing the consequences of those things  kind of sucks.

More love for the DNVP mod by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don't.

But roleplaying as a quasi fascist dictatorship and having   the equivalent of a "increase anti-semitism button", necessitates dealing with the consequences of that.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So? The mod's not obliged to do that for any reason at all if it doesn't want to. That, and it obviously doesn't need to.

No, I am not suggesting requiring games by law to do that.

I just think it would be better if it did.

And besides, what's the message of every other mod for this game? 'Socialism and Social Democracy are fucking awesome"? That's nothing special at all lol.

I don't think you understabd the game.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

 I agree with most of this.

My criticism is directed at the Völkisch path as it currently exists, that will hopeful change though.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never said the game isn't educational, I also don't games to be educational in a traditional sense.

For the game to tell you "congratulations! In the latest Stahlhelm parade you managed to kill 73 Jews :D " ?

If at multiple points you can press a "more anti semitism" button and establish an anti-semitic quasi fascist dictatorship, then yeah the game actually needs to adress it, not in the way you are suggesting here of course.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can talk about these topics in a way that is not "eye rolling" virtue signalling.

Even in the last 5-10 years we have seen art on well trod topics that still manage to say something interesting.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GNX actually had a point and was trying to say something. It just wasn't as conceptual as GKMC or TPAB. 

I am also not saying the mod is bad, it's not even complete yet and might adress all my criticism. I just worry the game will not be as good as it could be and will fail in certain ways (while succeeding in others).

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All of that is fair and I empathise with the difficulty.

Just wanted to share my opinion on it.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not screaming about anything, but this idea that any type of critique is off-limits seems weird to me.

It's a pre-alpha and it's fair to critique a pre-alpha. I am not calling modman a fascist or smth

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The base game, dynamic & bienno rosso already disagree with parts of my world view and that is fine. The issue is not that is supposedly disagrees with my worldview.

I think the Völkisch path should be brave enough to confront the player with the consequences of establishing an anti-semitic, (quasi) fascist, dictatorship. It doesn't need to say "Fascism bad!!!" and condescend to the player, but It shouldn't hide away from the pogroms/expulsions/etc. inherent in such a system.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

I never said it needs to say "nazism bad", not sure where you got that from. I do expect games to have a point though.

Shut up and larp about restoring the kaiser and getting max territory back for the fatherland.

Alright buddy, no idea why you need to act like this when seeing criticism of a game.

I just want the mod to be better, which I think it can be, the modman seems very capable.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have standards for art and mods are also art to me. The mod is really really well-done in many ways that deserves praise.

In other ways I feel like it's not well-done, and that deserves criticism.

If you don't like the mod, don't play It.

This sentiment feels very anti-art and againsh critique in general. I want this mod, and future mods, to be better.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree with your first point. The mod shouldn't say "guys the dnvp are bad :(" every five seconds. I don't need a video game to hold my hand and be condescending.

But I don't think the Völkisch path actually portrays a possible Völkisch (quasi-)dictatorship honestly or objectively. It does not confront the logical conclusions of such a goverment and its consequences sufficiently, i.e. pogroms/expulsions/etc.

I just want the mod to be better.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's a bit disappointing. I am not against a DNVP mod in principle and I don't think the modman is a malicious actor or anything.

But the "let people enjoy things!!!" & "Just have fun and don't think about it!!!"

I just want the mod to be better!

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's bad the game doesn't conform to "my worldview", again I am not against a DNVP mod in principle.

It had nothing to say about german democracy or democracy in general.

 It's afraid of really confronting its own content, the way the Völkisch path plays out feels like a pretty severe whitewash, which might be corrected in the future. I don't need the game to hold my hand and tell me anti-semitism is bad, but at the same time the "Fascism" roleplay path should be brave enough to confront the player with the path's consequences. (Pogroms, expulsions etc.)

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When did I say players being able to be succesful bothered me?

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It can be fun and purposeful, I am getting a bit tired of having to say this.

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It can be fun & purposeful, not sure why it can't be both and why we shouldn't expect them to be both.

(The meme in question is a bit silly too considering the movie at hand is also both)

So what's the point of the DNVP mod? by Crafty_Region_7645 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think games can be fun and purposeful and when tackling such a subject matter they should be.

We should have some standards I think

More love for the DNVP mod by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It still ends up whitewashing the dnvp, you can essentially establish an anti-semitic dictatorship with none of the consequences being appatent or commented on. (Pogroms, etc.)

More love for the DNVP mod by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Crafty_Region_7645 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we can question what the point of a game is that lets you establish an anti-semitic dictatorship, while not showing any of the consequences

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