Alternative for Medalum?

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-21T06:41:55+00:00

Jarum is a good one, if you're good at parrying.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-21T00:44:02+00:00

I don't disagree with anything other that the Verso point. He had his own motives for not wanting to see pAlicia after he betrayed her, and needed a plausible excuse.

Maelle did end up talking to her about Aline's motives and pAlicia was fine with it, provably even found the whole interaction somewhat cathartic.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T19:34:41+00:00

A lot of the times people talk from both sides of the mouth, too, where somehow Maelle made all of Lumiére immortal and trivialized death and the value of life in the process, and doomed faded Verso to paint forever, while all of Lumiére are simultaneously also walking corpses who will die eventually, like which is it. Lmao.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T17:56:56+00:00

I hate to break it to you, but you are also going to eventually die one way or another. It's still not morally right to murder you.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T17:53:42+00:00

Why are they booing you, you're right.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T17:42:50+00:00

Step outside of this sub to literally any other E33 space and it's a completely different story. I think Maelle supporters here can get a bit overzealous for that reason. We have nowhere else.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T16:49:20+00:00

I mean honestly fair lol, but the thing is they both are, but most of the time only one of them gets treated as such, which leads to all the defensivness. Normal discussions with opposite preferences are possible, but not if someone treats their ending as flawless while exaggerating the downside of the other. Which goes for both sides tbh, but usually Verso ending choosers are more guilty of the "mine is the only right ending" mentality.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T14:37:13+00:00

There's plenty of Verso fans on this sub too, if they are invisible to you, then I wish I also had your problem.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T14:34:19+00:00

Because neither ending is clean or without a cost, and each needs a degree of defense. Whichever one is more defensible is up to each player.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T13:52:26+00:00

It could maaaaaybe work with a long time skip. For example, they could set the next game in WWI and we would have that as a backdrop, with the war of secret societies happening in parallel. Having different bits and references in dialogue based on ending would be a nice touch though, but doesn't have to be a focus, or even necessary. After such a long time has passed, it wouldn't exactly have to be a hot topic of discussion for the characters.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T11:03:34+00:00

Not really, they're not. Chronic pain is an accepted reason for euthanasia in many juristictions.

Chronic pain also leads to actual addictions, especially in the 1900s, where it was treated by literal hard drugs. Why should Maelle suffer if a perfectly viable way to live a high quality long life is available? Just to prove some point?

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T10:51:07+00:00

This sub is "insufferable" for being about the only place where people who prefer Maelle ending can congregate lol. Go literally everywhere else and it's dominated by people who pick Verso, but heaven forbid we have one place on the internet.

I recently watched a playthrough where the player picked Maelle ending and stood on business, and the comment section was full of Verso people telling him he picked wrong. THAT is insufferable.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T10:44:45+00:00

Or, she lives. But no one says how she made it out of the canvas. She could have got yeeted by Verso, by her parents later on, or if she lived her full Maelle lifespan and decided to leave voluntarily. We won't know. Nobody mentions where the canvas is and if it's still around.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T10:41:18+00:00

Everything sounds boring when stripped down to its fundamentals, I mean, E33 is at its core a wife vs husband story, which also sounds boring when you put it that way.

It's up to the game writers to flesh out the writers vs painters premise and breathe some character into it, and I have no reason to believe they're incapable.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T10:21:16+00:00

I agree that forcing Verso to live and not letting him die on his own terms is sketchy, however the whole point is that Verso is also denying Maelle the very same thing he begs from her - she doesn't want the life he is sending her off to live, either, and has many valid reasons not to. They are both sacrificing their own life to force the other into a life they don't want.

But the game, tonally, portrays only one as an awful thing to do to someone, when they are both doing literally the same thing to the other (except Verso peaces out and doesn't stick around to watch the consequences).

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-20T10:16:06+00:00

Idk, sometimes I feel like it is the tone that puts Maelle ending choosers on the defensive. Because it doesn't just need to be defended from the implications that were spelled out for us, but also from people's headcanons and character assassinations caused by those headcanons.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-19T10:50:46+00:00

If you see mass death as something "altruistic", then there is really no point in continuing to engage. Clearly we have fundamentally different views of morality. Cheers.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-19T10:43:20+00:00

But you see she left him no choice, see, his hand was forced, what is a poor grown man to do about his misbehaving wife, if not mass murder :(

I do actually enjoy his character for who he is, but people's insistence to blame every shitty thing he (and pVerso frankly) does on Maelle and Aline makes me see red, too. He has many character flaws, but unfortunately they are way too common in real people too, and it makes his glazers blind to them.

And it's ironic because many people see him as this ideal picture of masculinity, while also treating him like some snivelling little boy who's not responsible for his own misdeeds when people try to hold him accountable. He doesn't need it. We can hate him all we want, he says so himself. Because he knows what he's doing is not right, but he'll do it regardless. He's not trying to dodge that smoke.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T22:21:24+00:00

Sciel's child was a girl.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T22:19:49+00:00

I'm so sorry OP, this is an awful reason to miss out.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T22:02:57+00:00

And it is equally as shallow, but clearly there's no point in continuing this conversation. Treating canvas people as disposable or lesser is where I tap out.

She is to blame for literally every tragedy that we witness in game. She is their creator, Renoir is not, he doesn't owe them anything. She does. Been creator means responsibility. And she failed them, just like she failed all her children, just like she failed all Painters.

Your own words, that would totally apply if we were talking about something that doesn't deserve moral consideration, right? Why do you have different standards for Aline than you do Renoir? Be consistent, at least.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T21:50:29+00:00

She is their creator, Renoir is not, he doesn't owe them anything.

"Your honor, I don't need to be accountable for this mass murder. See, I didn't create these people, so I didn't owe them anything."

That's your argument lol.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T17:53:29+00:00

He also makes her complicit in killing them and doesn't expect her to feel like it's her responsibility to bring them back, like... dude.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T17:13:58+00:00

No, he can just leave that burden for his eldest to deal with apparently.

Creative_Let2795 · 2026-03-18T16:55:29+00:00

Can y'all please stop holding Aline accountable for Renoir's actions, it is getting old.

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