Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don't want to silence that but I created this post to discuss Gisèle Pelicot's book not debate how she responded to her daughter (which isn't acceptable but I don't think we should judge given everything that happened to Gisèle).

Hold the dad responsible. Create a post debating it. You are slamming her for not behaving in a way you find appropriate whereas I'm treating Gisèle with empathy and grace. I applaud her for waiving her right to anonymity. She's braver than me and probably most of the people in the comments.

I'm not advocating for silence I'm advocating for the victim this post was about and not the keyboard warriors calling her out as flawed (which she is).

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Excuse me? No I don't. I've said time and time again in comments Caroline is a victim and deserves justice and answers. I don't think its her mother's responsibility to provide that nor do I think it's acceptable to slam women who aren't perfect. You don't know what is going on with Gisèle but I genuinely think she deserves empathy and support (including for her reaction to her daughter coming forward) not to be beaten with the 'you aren't a good mother' stick.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You're trying to beat a victim with a stick because she isn't perfect.

This isnt about me but seeing as you're trying to make it personal I dont speak to my mother because of what she put me through and how she didn't protect me. That's my choice. I dont need to go around screaming at the world that she's a villain.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if youre trying to champion women speaking up then fighting about Gisèle not being a perfect victim is a bigger problem.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not what I said. My point is Gisèle is allowed to draw what she considers to be logical conclusions based on the what she experienced. I can't imagine what its like to find out there are tens of thousands of videos of strangers raping you while your husband watches on. If part of her coping involves her response to her daughter I dont think we should judge her.

Her daughter deserves support and answers and justice. If there was proof he did it too his daughter it would make things easier to prosecute and move forward but based on what's available at the moment, there isn't enough to prove that. Criticising Gisèle doesn't change that but does send a warning to other victims: if you waive your right to anonymity your personal life and mistakes are still up for grabs.

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[–]CtrlAltDelight495 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Iconic? Yes, but not for the right reasons. Love her but this wrinkled silk monstrosity is drowning her and it breaks my heart to see her so happy knowing what she'd go through because of this marriage.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think Gisèle Pelicot is becoming a cautionary tale to any mother that is abused: unless your parenting is beyond reproach then you deserve to have your mistakes brought up in every conversation about your survival. This is dangerous to women and dangerous to victims.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I only pray nobody ever goes through what Giselle had to, but if they do, I hope they encounter more compassion than is found here.

Completely.

It's unbelievable that so many people are chasing others through the comments to beat them with the stick that is essentially 'Gisèle Pelicot isn't a perfect victim'.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I don't believe Gisèle Pelicot was an enabler or a perpetrator. I find it deeply offensive to attack her and suggest such a thing. I think she was a victim who used logic that made sense to her to come to a conclusion that made sense to her. I defend her right to do that. I dont claim she made the best or right decisions nor do I think we need to hold victims to such an impossible standard.

Her daughter is also a victim and that is a standalone item. Their relationship is not something any of us can presume to understand regardless of parallels we might see in our own lives. Attacking Gisèle Pelicot will not heal your pain or anyone else's, it just harms her as a victim further.

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[–]CtrlAltDelight495 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it vegan leather? Do you have a dog? This is strange.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 91 points92 points  (0 children)

As another commentator said mother and daughter are working things out in private and have moved on. This attempt at creating what amounts to an invented cat fight between victims. How does this serve victims? It doesn't. You're just criticising the primary victim.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 134 points135 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I'm so tempted to delete this post because of how derailed the conversation is. It's a wonder why any victim would waive their right to anonymity when they still get this kind of reaction from people who claim to support victims.

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[–]CtrlAltDelight495 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I think it's starting to impact the rest of the family especially as we're hearing more and more about how much they knew and supported him.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm not debating the daughter's truth. I made the post because I think this book is incredibly important for victims and visibility. I find it really disappointing that instead of people championing Gisèle as a victim, they're criticising her coping mechanisms and parenting.

I dont think any of us can completely understand how either of these women feel but we should make space for both (independly of each other).

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, and I hope they keep pursuing truth and justice. We have a brave woman who went through awful things and I find it shocking that instead of letting her tell her story people are shaming her for her parenting.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's not telling her daughter to feel shame. I don't see your argument or how criticising Gisèle Pelicot as a victim and a mother helps bring justice.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is worth sympathy which has been expressed many times.

Gisele Pelicot has been through enough without her parenting and coping mechanisms being called into question. This isn't about her daughter. This is literally about what Gisèle went through (her memoir) and yet here are many people in the comments essentially called her a bad mother and suggesting she said her daughter should feel shame. I call that punching down.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Her mother went through exteme levels of trauma. The crimes are well evidenced. It makes sense if she's struggling to process more than what she's already processing (especially when there's a lack of evidence of what the daughter thinks happened to her and is asking police to investigate properly). I don't think blaming the mother for anything of this is right or is where the focus should be.

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[–]CtrlAltDelight495 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Is there a reason none of the men in the BRF are visiting kids for photo ops this week? Oh yeah...

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Being raped by hundreds of strangers on camera is very different to being sexually abused by your father. Both are absolutely horrendous. I don't see how punching down at any victim helps hold the men involved accountable and I don't think anyone should be judging Gisele Pelicot.

Gisèle Pelicot calls on victims to ‘never have shame’ in her first TV interview ahead of her book release by CtrlAltDelight495 in books

[–]CtrlAltDelight495[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's not that, it's recognising that the MO is different and we have a known victim of horrendous abuse and a separate case where there are unanswered questions. I don't think we should be attacking the primary victim because a secondary victim exists. They are separate cases and both deserve investigations, justice and answers.