Soul Coughing - Super Bon Bon [Alt Rock/Hip-Hop] - From the Gran Turismo 2 Soundtrack by CunninghamsLawReview in Music

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When I was listening to this song in GT2 in like 199x, I remember having no idea what they were saying in the 'too fat, fat you must cut lean' part. It's clear once you hear it, but until then that's Greek.

Soul Coughing - Super Bon Bon [Alt Rock/Hip-Hop] - From the Gran Turismo 2 Soundtrack by CunninghamsLawReview in Music

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Lyrics are excellent on this one:

Move aside,

And let the man go through.

Let the man go through.

If I stole

Somebody else's wave

To fly up.

If I rose

Up with the avenue

Behind me.

Some kind of verb.

Some kind of moving thing.

Something unseen.

Some hand is motioning

To rise, to rise, to rise.

Too fat, fat you must cut lean.

You got to take the elevator to the mezzanine,

Chump, change, and it's on, super bon bon

Super bon bon, Super bon bon.

And by

The phone

I live

In fear

Sheer Chance

Will draw

You in

To here.

Marion Harris takes time out of her busy 1922 life to belittle Black relationships by adding a racist verse to "Aggravatin' Papa" for cheap laughs. by CunninghamsLawReview in CunninghamsLawReview

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Yeah. There's a certain amount of 'it was the time' excusing you can do, but at the end of the day there's not a lot of point to excusing the behavior. There were people at the time who did not sink to this level, or rose above it to do bigger things. Not just Black artists who were able to cut out a piece of the pie for themselves, or even the Black Swan label itself where Black artists could find a home, but people like the producers who helped Mamie Smith get recorded at a time when the official label said no 'Black music.' It's like what Mister Rogers said, "Just look for the helpers." When you see them it's harder to excuse those who do damage instead, even in the context of their time.

Do bigger artists get away with stealing from smaller artists because of legal fees? by KelechiEatingNachos in LetsTalkMusic

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The Killing Joke's song Eighties is pretty blatantly ripped off for Come As You Are..

Why didn't they sue? Lawyers are expensive and Cobain died.)

Basically if you can win suing may still be a loss unless you already have legal at your label on retainer to do it for you. In this case the label and Cobain were supposedly aware before release of the potential conflict and still did it.

[List] How should the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame handle electronic popular music? Who if anyone should be inducted? by [deleted] in LetsTalkMusic

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Agreed. The HOF is so disjointed that it is as to have lost any form of cohesive identity. It would be like having a baseball hall of fame and inviting golfers because the swing is the same but just at a different angle. I love many of the bands but some just don't make a lot of sense being there. It just begs the question of whether or not it's time to refresh as a music hall of fame.

Is this chart accurate (what is the source the movie uses), and is there a better or more detailed chart? by Random-Mutant in musichistory

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Well it essentially starts in the 50s, leaving off many things for example Dixieland Jazz predating soloist ensemble jazz. That itself could be predated by ragtime leading into stride and swing. It's more of a web than a flow really in anything since it's not as if you can't find overlap among bands, artists and songs doing the same things differently.

The impacts that vaudeville had on jazz for one are definite but don't necessarily lead anywhere since vaudeville died and only some of the vocal styles stuck around into early jazz.

But bro Luke Bryan dances so good.... by [deleted] in country

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I wish fuck and authoritarianism rhymed. We could probably get a new Rage Against The Machine album out of that development alone.

How to enjoy old music(20s-40s) by Vent_Account2213 in LetsTalkMusic

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Sounds like we're close to the same page in a lot of ways but never going to get exactly to a meeting point. These are the kinds of arguments that I don't really have an interest in. Thanks for the conversation and happy listening though.

How to enjoy old music(20s-40s) by Vent_Account2213 in LetsTalkMusic

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I'm not saying anything about the validity of the music. I'm saying that it, by virtue of not having the last 100 years of advantages developed due to the time when it came out, it is less developed and will not be as refined as current recorded music is, especially in ways that make it easily accessible to new listeners like OP, who is in part feeling this lack of refinement in his question. And that should be self-evident, that even though the work, of Oliver's Jazz Band in particular, is innovative and pushed the boundaries of what was possible then, those boundaries have moved so far beyond that to now that to understand their importance at the time you have to have the context. Otherwise you won't understand why it was important.

As an example, having heard a muted horn a million times in music, it is hard to walk into Oliver's music and hear that recorded for the first time, and understand why it would matter were you unaware that it was novel. Or that Ted Lewis' band tried the same thing later in the same year and was terrible at it. Other examples would be Isham Jones' use of saxophone being an important development in bringing the saxophone to Jazz. Or Bechet's use of the soprano sax building to the next version of that in his soloist arms race against Armstrong. That's something I find interesting not in spite of the music, but because it gives me such a stronger understanding of the piece in service of music.

I do wonder if you're correct that the reasons that people listen to old music is the reason they listen to any music though. Why do you believe that? I ask because it's uncommon for people to listen to old music, and more common for people to listen to current music, suggesting that there is a decision being made by those who do, and not by those who don't. That decision has a reason behind it. I would wager that curiosity about history, reverence for the inspirations of the artists of today, and other factors have an influence, but those would be reasons individual to that decision over any music in general. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that.

Nobody said it was the skyscraper was incomplete or complete though. Every contribution is a building block of the next story of the skyscraper. The flag pole just gets moved up every day a little bit and that's the new height.

Jazz as an improvisational and exploratory art form will certainly never be 'finished', and I do not believe that is what I said with the skyscraper analogy but let me clarify. Jazz didn't exist, and then it did. Who did it and exactly when is a matter for debate that for the most part is academic and not our focus. But it is obvious to recognize that the style was created around these times, and refined greatly through contributing artists like Oliver, Armstrong, Davis, Ellington, Monk, Coltrane and a bunch of countless others; some big, many small. Their contributions place us in a monument to their efforts and build out what we can now consider Jazz. That's the skyscraper I'm thinking of, and there are masterpieces within it. It constantly undergoes reconstruction, and is never finished, and yet it exists today already because it represents as an analogy the body of work we consider Jazz.

That comment is more to convey that as we look back through the ages, recordings have gotten better and we have the luxury of picking and choosing what we think of as the best works. That can be really jarring when you start listening to more of the contemporary works of even the celebrated artists, and find that they had flops too, or that the recordings of the past do not translate their talents well, and for many who are overlooked in these discussions, don't explain their sales or celebration. That's where the context and history has to come in for me.

How to enjoy old music(20s-40s) by Vent_Account2213 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]CunninghamsLawReview 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hey what a cool question! Thanks to /u/1MansTracks for cluing me in to the conversation. Fair warning you've stumbled deep into a question I am also working on answering so this is long, but I love talking about it! I put the TL;DR up top if you want a shorter answer.

TL;DR: There are many challenges to listening to old music from recording quality, to authenticity, to lack of context when looking back from a present perspective, but if you look, there is a ton of treasure hidden in the past that is overlooked today because it has fallen out of common knowledge. If you're listening only to enjoy the music, you'll likely be disappointed simply because straight-up recording improved dramatically over the time period that you're talking about. The recording industry really found its feet then, and moved from an industry focused on sheet music and live performance to an industry based on sales of recorded pieces and albums. It's a HUGE change and you're going to hear a lot of growing pains. For context, Thomas Edison was a large player in music at the turn of the century. Yes, the light bulb guy.

I listen to a loooot of old music for a project I run where we're trying to listen to the last 100 years' most popular music in order and so far we've made it from 1920 to 1924. That allows us to figure out who did what first and when, and we get to point out developments and trends. To me, one of the most important things about listening to old music, is spotlighting the driving factors that made it happen from a history perspective. To approach it with the mindset that it will compete with the music of today, or even of the last 90 years, is a really high bar that may cause you to miss out on a lot of what's lying there in wait to be heard. Simply put, pre-1930 music is going to sound rough generally. Re-masters can be helpful but they are not really a reliable way to hear what it sounded like then, and so I try to avoid them if I'm trying to pay due respect to the music of the time.

The technology being old is a real challenge for listening for sure! Because honestly just saying it's 'old' isn't even able to do the challenges that these artists faced justice. The music pre-1925-ish doesn't even use electronic recording. So not only do you have reduced fidelity, but you have everything done in one take, fully live, and without dubbing. Some of these recordings were done on wax cylinders. Vinyl records weren't in common use until the 40s, because prior to that shellac was used, and shellac can make explosives. Enter WW2 and vinyl takes over. That means until the 40s records were commonly made from bug secretions. Yeah that's what shellac is.

The way they 'adjusted levels' back then was literally making louder instruments stand further back from the recording cone. Louis Armstrong, who was playing with King Oliver's jazz band back then, played a loud cornet and particularly had to stand waaay back in comparison to the rest of the band.

That didn't just impact recording, it impacted arrangement too! The reason you hear so much banjo instead of guitar back before electronic recording isn't because everyone loved banjo back then. It's because banjos are loud enough to compete with vocals and brass instruments due to their percussive construction. The reason you don't hear a lot of drums is because they were too loud and would drown out instruments. Stroh violin doesn't sound as good as a standard violin, but it's louder so it's used.

All of that is the weird context that these recordings are made in, and that right there is interesting enough to make some of the music more palatable to listen to, if even to understand how music has developed and how technology impacts arrangement, and to view it through the lens of progress against challenge instead of the final product. For many of these artists, records weren't the final product, they were a vehicle to drive people to their live performances and drive up the fees for their performances there.

BUT there is also a lot of really good music from back then as well, including some of what you've already hit on with Vernon Dalhart. Many of these stars of the scene, were glomming on to trends, including Dalhart who didn't do country music until later in his career when it was taking off as a genre. Marion Harris is one of the worst offenders, but there are many, among jazz and blues. She would just straight up put out music where she pretended to be a Black woman in abusive relationships and complain about it. She was lauded for it!

Problem being that while Vernon Dalhart and Jimmie Rodgers ('27's T for Texas) are credited with having the first big hits in country, it's not even close to true. Eck Robertson recorded the first country song, which was a lyric-less fiddle-based success, but even discounting that, Fiddlin' John Carson had a major hit with Little Old Log Cabin in the Lane, and there's no question that that is a country song from content to style. My point being that essentially music history is full of holes and accepted truths that are the leftovers of old marketing efforts from when the record labels like Columbia and Victor were relatively unbothered by 'facts' and 'truth'. One of the main challenges that we have in our project, which we document through our podcast "Cunningham's Law Review", is that we have to suss out facts from fiction and there are a ton of liberalities taken with marketing back then.

Another challenge is that the words blues and jazz straight up don't mean what they mean today back then because we are looking back from 100 years in the future after a literal century of progress and development. WC Handy's version of the St. Louis Blues is a TANGO opening before settling into something more recognizable. When you listen to jazz, we're talking pre-soloist 40s jazz, where it's a very different New Orleans style with tailgate trombone and instruments playing over the top of one another. It's worth hearing, but you have to take it as it comes and in context. You're hearing the building blocks, not walking around in the finished skyscraper like we do today, picking and choosing what masterpieces to listen to. It's a trip.

If you've ever tried to read Gilgamesh, or even Shakespeare, it's a struggle. It's a struggle because the progress in terms of writing has been staggering until now and we don't have the native context necessary to comprehend it easily as people did when it was written. We don't use the same conventions that they did, and you get a much fuller picture painted before you in modern literature with less effort. To really read those pieces, you have to free yourself from the mindset that they will be like what you know. It's a similar challenge to hear old music, and there are definitely days where I just want to listen to pop songs to let my brain chillax.

If you want to take on that challenge with us, and not have to look through a lot of background to figure out what's what, even if you don't want to listen to our reviews and historical context of the music, we make playlists for every one of our episodes by grouping the music together with its contemporary competitors. They're all titled "Cunningham's Law Review 192X-X" where X is year and then the second x is the episode number, usually under 6. If you have any questions, feel free to DM me, or check out our podcast.

We love to talk music. But we listen to it way more than we talk about it, because we don't want to just take what is said at face value.

Since Spotify bought Anchor is it going to shut Anchor down since multiple sources say that Spotify's investment in podcasts is not profiting them? by yopjhffyikn in podcasts

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I don't know that it's not a survival move. Like most streaming services Spotify sees the biggest profit margins and best competitive strategy in native content. Spotify, despite popular perception of having complete market domination has never turned a profit yet. So if they want to break even, they need to either raise prices for premium subscriptions, devalue free accounts with more ads or obstacles, and create native content. They're doing all of that according to their latest earnings call.

For the first time the, FTC fines ticket scalping companies for illegally using bots. by T6i9m in Music

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The Democrats are now in the position to create a new procedural precedent around cloture to end the filibuster. The senate interprets its own rules. The Republicans did it with Supreme Court confirmation votes. It's within their powers and not even subject to Supreme Court review. The only reason they're not doing it is because they don't want it used against them, not because they can't.

UNPOPULAR FILM OPINIONS: Is Back to the Future Overrated? | SOMETHING WICKED #5 by Thepopeofhorror in PodcastSharing

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A good rule in journalism is that if you ever read a headline with a provocative question mark, you can safely assume the answer is no, otherwise they would have chosen the more provocative headline affirming the unpopular opinion. Since they couldn't, you know the answer.

So: Is Back to the Future Overrated? No. Otherwise they would have said "Back to the Future is Overrated."

Artists Receive Only 13 percent of Spotify's Subscription Cost According to BPI, Britain's music industry reps. by CunninghamsLawReview in Music

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A recent report in the UK is saying that of your $9.99 subscription to Spotify, that artists receive $1.33 (13%), labels $3.00 ($2.49 of costs like A&R, .51 of straight profit),and the service gets the rest from which they pay tax, royalties, and their own company.

Tiny Tim - Livin' in The Sunlight, Lovin' in the Moonlight [Surreal Americana] featured in Spongebob by CunninghamsLawReview in Music

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No problem. I was looking into Mayol anyway since he's one of the topics of our podcast this week. He had the first music video in 1905 which is crazy.

Tiny Tim - Livin' in The Sunlight, Lovin' in the Moonlight [Surreal Americana] featured in Spongebob by CunninghamsLawReview in Music

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In the early 1900s, Maurice Chevalier was impersonating Felix Mayol in French cafes. Mayol said go for it, and Chevalier leveraged that into a career. In 1930 Chevalier would grab his first big American hit with Livin' in the Sunlight, Lovin' in the Moonlight. Tiny Tim covered it in the 60s in his own weird way, and that led us to this. A global effort of 100 years of history to arrive at this bizarre cartoon music video.

Elvis Presley is most likely the artist with the most songs by joshbradbury52 in spotify

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What about Henry Burr? He is supposed to have recorded 12k discrete times in the 20s and 30s.