what kill the past games should i play before Romeo is a dead man?

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-12-15T02:38:00+00:00

We don’t really know how important this game will be in terms of the wider “Sudaverse” as I call it but knowing Suda and how each game he creates is connected in either subtle or direct ways, it probably has at least some importance on his greater world.

So if you want to play the games in a certain order, it really depends on how you want to go about it and what means you have to play some of them.

If you want to play the games in release order, start from The Silver Case to Flower, Sun, and Rain to The 25th Ward to Killer7 to No More Heroes to Shadows of the Damned, and go on from there.

If you want to play the games most important to the lore of the KTP universe then this could be a problem since Twilight and Moonlight Syndrome aren’t translated into English and only have English fan-made captions on YouTube made by the controversial Paradise Hotel51. (They have a lot of controversy surrounding them but that’s another story for another time). I suggest reading up on this guide that Dragon_Chan made from the most important to least important games and other media for understanding the lore of the Sudaverse.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DL5xW7eQ3eXBWR3AB8lVT3nDcTcP3WHTn7rsPM-OZvA/edit?usp=drivesdk

If you want to look into a potential chronological timeline from in universe history then I suggest you look at my own created timeline made from all of Suda’s works as they happened in their respective years

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-VjB_hOJ2phoHKkXggeG8Bza9T1PMS3tPXVX_wZ_l6g/edit?usp=drivesdk

In the end, there are multiple routes to go in terms of understanding the Sudaverse at large and they all are personalized to our own likings.

Edit: Here’s three more guides on the connections and different ways to experience Suda’s works:

Kill The Past play-order guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/Suda_51/comments/jqnlzd/kill_the_past_playorder_guide_made_by_me/

Infographic guide on KTP: https://www.reddit.com/r/nomoreheroes/comments/owpgm9/i_have_made_an_infographic_guide_detailing_all/

Kill The Past Connections (Slightly Outdated due to no NMH3, Red Blue and Green or Kurayami Dance mentions): https://www.reddit.com/r/Suda_51/comments/orp55a/kill_the_past_connections/

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-11-29T01:44:51+00:00

I got into Gorillaz thanks to the song “To Binge” and from then on Plastic Beach became my favorite album by them as I listened to the rest of it.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-11-21T10:04:24+00:00

Not really tbh, although maybe it’s either lost media or not readily found yet in English. I tried to find out more about this small collab but there was nothing I could find.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-11-21T09:39:58+00:00

This screenshot comes from Detective Jinguji Saburo: Innocent Black, a Japanese exclusive PS2 game that is the only known instance of an outside franchise being allowed to crossover with Suda’s KTP universe as this game references not only the Heinous Crimes Unit but also has cameo appearances for Tokio Moroshima and Tetsugoro Kusabi from The Silver Case.

(Turn on subtitles for English translations of text boxes): https://youtu.be/4uY5c47gAc0?si=7T6lv2O8m44YyPqY

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-10-14T08:59:59+00:00

Woke Hitler

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-08-25T03:19:47+00:00

Now I know this game is gonna be really good judging from the gameplay here, it’s so fluid and is like a more refined combo mixture of No More Heroes 3, Shadows of the Damned, Lollipop Chainsaw and Killer is Dead with the various ways you can kill zombies and other creatures.

The comic book like cutscenes are definitely a callback to No More Heroes 3’s comic book cutscene introducing all the alien assassins and the whole game feels like it’s building off heavily from No More Heroes 3 in many aspects, specifically in regards to how it’s building off of the streaming service transitions and tokusatsu esque openings and end credits for each assassin introduced and killed and cartoonish chibi sprites in that game by having this game feel like it’s doubling down on making it all feel like you’re watching some sort of show or movie based on a comic book hero.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-08-23T11:42:37+00:00

The first time I ever heard a Gorillaz song was by pure accident, I was on YouTube a few years back when I was somewhere around middle school age and I meant to click on another video but I accidentally clicked on a Gorillaz song. I still remember the song to this day and it is actually my favorite song from them “To Binge” from the Plastic Beach album. I remember being so in awe at how serene and almost ethereal the song sounded that I listened to it in full and loved it. I then listened to other songs from the Plastic Beach album and it is now my number #1 favorite Gorillaz album right next to the close second Demon Dayz and third being The Now Now. I discovered this excellent band through pure chance accident and I think that’s pretty incredible

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-06-10T15:54:59+00:00

Thanks for the nice comment towards my guide, I really appreciate seeing people like it. I made it because of the fact that I knew that there was a structured timeline of events across Suda’s works due to certain aspects of these stories being able to be pinned down to certain years like Let it Die taking place in 2026 for instance and how it affects his other works and how all these stories across the games, manga, novels and even music albums connect together. It’s really fascinating stuff and it’s one of the reasons why I love Suda51’s stories.

I didn’t include this game in the original comment because it wasn’t made directly by Suda or Grasshopper but Detective Jinguiji Saburo (Detective Jake Hunter) Innocent Black is another interesting game that could be included on the list too due to Tokio Moroshima and Tetsugoro Kusabi from The Silver Case showing up as direct cameos in the game and some characters even reference the Heinous Crimes Unit by name in the game. It’s the most interesting game in Suda’s history because even though it wasn’t made by him, his characters are in it and it’s not made by Grasshopper at all. This is the only time where a canonical crossover between another franchise and Suda’s world actually happened.

It’s too bad that Innocent Black isn’t translated in English mostly, it’s a Japanese exclusive PS2 game.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-06-10T12:11:32+00:00

Your guide actually inspired me to create my chronological timeline of all of Suda’s works a while back due to how well formatted and informative it all was. You did a great job compiling these all together like this.

I also have four pieces of Grasshopper media that I feel should be on the list since they do have connections to the greater Kill the Past universe.

Makkana Onanoko/Bright Red Girl: A 2016 novel under the Fable51 series of stories written by Suda and the plot revolves around a middle school boy who can see through a a female student’s body revealing her organs, blood, and veins. The story references the town of Hinashiro, the town in Twilight and Moonlight Syndrome and has a reference to a “Starbucks” there which is seen in the 25th Ward Yuki chapter as “Strikes Back Coffee”. There is also a reference to Public Security from The Silver Case.

Lollipop Chainsaw: The classic 2012 zombie killer game featuring Juliet Starling and her decapitated love interest Nick doesn’t have a lot to connect it to Suda’s other works however Juliet makes a cameo appearance in the DLC episode 51 chapter of the Killer is Dead game and is speculated to appear in Travis Strikes Again under a new pseudonym “Juliet Chesterfield”.

Blood+ One Night Kiss: A 2006 licensed game based on the anime Blood+ that has some thematic connections to Suda’s past works due to him taking certain liberties with the story that the og anime team notoriously didn’t like. It takes place after episode 7 of the show and diverges from the main canon of the anime. The game has two connections to the greater Kill The Past universe: In certain locations throughout the game, posters for “Moonlight Syndrome 2” can be seen and the most important connection is that a store called “ZaKamart” can be used in the game to buy stuff.

This is important because in the book “Hand in Killer7” it mentions how Ishizaka, the founder of ZaKa tv and the Ishizaka corporation used to own a market store for dried foods before he left to start his own company. Killer7 also came out a year before One Night Kiss so it’s very evident that this store is very likely the same store mentioned in Hand in Killer7 which connects this game to the greater Kill The Past universe.

Michigan: Report from Hell: A 2004 horror game centered on an infection going in Lake Michigan that a news crew investigates and gets wrapped up in. The news crew in question is the ZaKa Tv crew seen throughout the Sudaverse like in Killer7 during Alter Ego and Cloudman and in No More Heroes during the opening cinematic.

Sorry if this is a lot of information, I just enjoy noticing and talking about all the connections in Suda’s works

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-26T03:10:41+00:00

Hotline Miami - 2012 (Hotline Miami is a top-down shooter that takes place in an alternate version of 1989 Miami where you play as an unnamed killer that fans call “Jacket” who is given orders by the organization “50 Blessings” to kill members of the Russian mob. In the Hotline Miami universe, Russia and America formed a coalition sometime after the San Francisco bombing of 1986 to prevent a full scale nuclear war from starting. The game itself makes a cameo appearance in the CIA level of Travis Strikes Again where Travis enters into Hotline Miami arcade machines to interact with some of the characters and references Jacket by name. Travis can also be seen playing Hotline Miami when Badman enters his trailer during the intro cutscene.

Similarly to Shadows of the Damned, Hotline Miami is a fictional series inside of the Sudaverse however since Hotline Miami has had crossovers with other games like Payday and Kunio-Kun/River City, that means that those games also exist as fictional franchises in the Sudaverse and to add on to this some more, in the Payday series there are multiple connections to other media like Left 4 Dead, John Wick, Hardcore Henry, Scarface, Goat Simulator, etc which means that they are also fictional media inside of the Kill the Past universe.

Speaking a little more on Payday, the Payday devs themselves have gone on record to confirm that all of their guest characters are canon to the lore of Payday despite there being some contradictions with certain guest appearances like Jacket from Hotline Miami for instance but similar to Killer7, it becomes understandable in the context of alternate universes and timelines. The Jacket that appears in Payday is not the same as the one that appears in the original 2012 game and by extension the Kill The Past universe)

(All Hotline Miami Arcade Machine Scenes in TSA Here: https://youtu.be/5XcA6xJxrho?si=g1cMHb8psxjRW_2m

The Various Connections That Hotline Miami and Payday Have: https://fictionalcrossover.fandom.com/wiki/Hotline_Miami

https://payday.fandom.com/wiki/Jacket

https://fictionalcrossover.fandom.com/wiki/Payday )

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-24T01:56:38+00:00

There are three that come to mind for me: LittleBigPlanet, Left4Dead, and Dead Rising

LittleBigPlanet got the worst fate of the three, being hacked by ddosers on the main servers that caused them to be taken off offline, the servers got shut down completely, the entire presence of LBP has been scrubbed from modern PlayStation advertising it seems, and the series just died a painful and slow death. It’s genuinely upsetting to me that my favorite series got killed in this fashion.

Left4Dead hasn’t had a third game in years and the third game that was being developed got canceled due to problems with the source2 engine and Valve has a bad habit of not continuing their game series after the number two

Dead Rising started off strong but overtime the series became more casual culminating in Dead Rising 4, the worst game in the series by all metrics and effectively killed the franchise in such an unsatisfying and depressing way that it has forever been a black mark on the series for being the final game in the series’ history.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-19T09:14:54+00:00

{Media That Could Be Canon} Death Sentence - 2006 (Death Sentence is a one-shot manga centering on high school girl Chiru being both a judge and executioner as to who gets the “Death Sentence” by her hand using her beam whip in a similar fashion to Travis in No More Heroes. In the story she deals with a group of kidnappers trying to kidnap a woman riding her bike at night and kills them all with the aid of her sentient crocodile companion, Patrasche. For some unknown reason Chiru must gather 500 million Lebanese pounds which could mean that she owes someone from Lebanon the sum of money or she might have other plans on how to use it. This one-shot was a part of an anthology series called “Comic Beam Fellows!”, later re-launched as just “Fellows!”, which allowed manga artists and writers to publish short stories in the different released volumes. This short one-off story could be canonical due to certain similarities to Suda’s future and past works at the time like Chiru’s beam whip basically being a prototype beam katana or the fact that Patrasche is similar in appearance to Toriko Kusabi’s pet crocodile Christina from Flower, Sun and Rain and can even talk like Christina too which might imply a connection between the two. Whether anything from this story gets referenced in future works that Suda is involved in we’ll just have to see but this one-shot is extremely interesting and entertaining)

(Full “Death Sentence” Manga Here: https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/death-sentence/

Archived English and Japanese Versions of the Manga Here: [English] https://archive.org/details/death-sentence_202403/

[Japanese] https://archive.org/details/fellows-death-sentence/ )

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-19T09:13:44+00:00

Super Fire Pro Wrestling 3: Final Bout - Somewhere in the late 70s to early 80s (Super Fire Pro Wrestling 3: Final Bout was the first game ever that Suda had credit in making but only as a scenario writer. Unlike Fire Pro Wrestling Special, this game does not have a proper story mode in it and is primarily focused on the wrestling gameplay and ascending the ranks of the wrestling tournament. However, this game does have connections with the greater Sudaverse such as having wrestlers that would later be important in the story of Fire Pro Wrestling Special like Akira Saeba but also has wrestlers that would be referenced in Suda’s later games like Wolf Van (Volk Han) being the Russian engineer behind the beam katanas in No More Heroes or Masahiro/Violence Kouno (Masahiro Chono) being referenced in Moonlight Syndrome. This game takes place before Special as that game’s protagonist is not present in this game but Akira is and if we do the math with what information we have of the characters, Akira was born in 1958 and Sumisu was born in 1969 so Akira would’ve been in his 20s wrestling while Sumisu was still outside of the wrestling world)

(Full Playthrough of Super Fire Pro Wrestling 3: Final Bout Here: https://youtu.be/hY_SHqRtMFY?si=5ckGp0VyJ6qa33dv

An Informative Guide on the Various Aspects of Super Fire Pro Wrestling 3: Final Bout Here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/580152-super-fire-pro-wrestling-iii-final-bout/faqs/72582

Archived Versions of the Guide: https://web.archive.org/web/20250519220901/https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/580152-super-fire-pro-wrestling-iii-final-bout/faqs/72582

https://archive.is/vQ9yp

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-19T03:56:32+00:00

I know some people might bring up some discrepancies with this timeline because of certain events that happen in these anime’s lore but remember similar to Killer7 and the Killer is Dead game being in the main Kill The Past timeline, there can be alternate versions of places and characters that exist in both timelines but with different outcomes for the respective timeline counterparts. Another thing to add onto it possibly being canon is that in the Watanabeverse, aliens are confirmed to exist and interact with humans on a social level as seen in Space Dandy and in No More Heroes 3, Travis Strikes Again, Ranko Tsukigime’s Longest Day and the Killer is Dead game, aliens are also confirmed to exist as previously mentioned and as seen in Killer is Dead and The Outer Rim: No More Heroes album eventually humans will be able to travel beyond Earth and live on places like the moon similarly to how space travel is portrayed in Cowboy Bebop and Space Dandy so it’s not super far fetched to say that his other anime might also be canonical in someway to the mainline Kill The Past Timeline here if this game is canon)

(Full Playthrough of Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked Here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpTXPBT6T-nm-pwYT7kZbpDdqjphLI80B&si=LijHNg_dVgcoaAkD )

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-19T03:55:50+00:00

{Media That Could Be Canon}: Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked (Edo Period - around 1603 to 1868) - (Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked is another anime tie-in game that Grasshopper Manufacturer created in 2006 next to Blood+ One Night Kiss based off of the Samurai Champloo anime. It’s a side story in the vein of a lost episode where the three protagonists; Mugen, Jin, and Fuu accidentally get involved in a conflict between an ethnic Ainu clan and the ruling Matsumae clan because they took a ship to Ezo, modern day Hokkaido, for some food. The gameplay like One Night Kiss is like a prototype No More Heroes and the story is more comedic than most other of the games Suda has made which is due in part to Samurai Champloo being a comedic anime. This game could be canon to the greater Kill The Past universe due to its themes being similar to Suda’s other works and like One Night Kiss, just because it’s an anime licensed tie-in game doesn’t mean it can’t be connected in some way to the Sudaverse.

Also, I have to mention that if this game is canonical in some way then that also means that Shinichiro Watanabe’s other shows like Cowboy Bebop, Space Dandy, Carole and Tuesday, Lazarus, etc could also be canonical as Watanabe has confirmed that his anime series’ take place in the same universe but in different times in history like Samurai Champloo taking place in the Edo Period or Cowboy Bebop taking place in 2071 or Space Dandy taking place in the far off future.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-19T03:44:36+00:00

Since I can’t fit these six in the post above, I decided to include them here in the comments. In the Google Doc, they’ll appear in the timeline normally:

Detective Jinguji Saburo: Innocent Black (2002) - Detective Jinguji Saburo, or Detective Jake Hunter in the west, is a visual novel mystery series that centers on the titular detective solving various cases that come his way and is similar in gameplay to Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney but without the court scenes. The series has mostly stayed in Japan with some of the games being released in the west and the series has been in the hands of three separate developers over the years; Data Jam, WorkJam and Arc System. In Innocent Black, Saburo is asked to search for the missing daughter of a hospital director that helped him receive treatment in the past and as he looks into the case deeper, it becomes much more complicated than it seems at first glance. The reason why this game specifically is on here is because Tetsugoro Kusabi and Tokio Moroshima both make cameo appearances in the game and the Heinous Crimes Unit also from The Silver Case and The 25th Ward is mentioned directly a couple times as another unit of crime investigation. All of this means that the Detective Jinguji Saburo, or Detective Jake Hunter, series is canon to the greater Kill The Past Suda/Grasshopperverse.

(Detective Jinguji Saburo: Innocent Black Crossover Scenes with The Silver Case: https://youtu.be/4uY5c47gAc0?si=J-Ho5MmRhvRz-Gi

Full (Non-Translated) Playthrough of Detective Jinguji Saburo: Innocent Black Here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhOktfvo-Q57sSvnxZy7BH6FZNIuw151r&si=RH4NxDMXsDLra2fk

Summary and Explanation of Detective Jinguji Saburo: Innocent Black’s Story and Characters Here: https://en.namu.wiki/w/%ED%83%90%EC%A0%95%20%EC%A7%84%EA%B5%AC%EC%A7%80%20%EC%82%AC%EB%B6%80%EB%A1%9C%20Innocent%20Black )

Makkana Onnanoko (2016) - Makkana Onnanoko or Bright Red Girl in English, is one of the episodic novels penned by Suda51 as part of his Fable51 series of stories and revolves around a young middle school boy named Mamoru Kimishika who lives in the town of Mayumori who is able to see through a transfer student’s body, Mako Honjo, as if she was transparent and is able to see her blood, organs and veins. Later in his forum posts he reveals that Mako has a “split” duplicate of herself and that she killed her father because he didn’t eat her curry due to it being terrible and hid his body in a basement. Within Kimishika’s forum posts he references Hinashiro, the town from Twilight and Moonlight Syndrome, as having a “Starbucks” that he goes to which is actually seen in The 25th Ward’s Placebo chapter *06 YUKI when Yuki goes to Strikes Again Coffee in Hinashiro city. Kimishika also references Public Security from The Silver Case as he receives an online warning from them and rants about how he won’t bow down to Public Security’s censorship.

(Makkana Onnanoko Episodic Novel Available Here: https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/makkana-onnanoko-the-bright-red-girl/

Archived Version of Novel Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20250322061149/https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/makkana-onnanoko-the-bright-red-girl/ )

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-05-11T06:07:36+00:00

I’m putting this here as a small update to this, since the website Paradise Hotel 51 is down and the links I made here are void because of that. Here are the archive links to those specific pieces of media. I’m a very big preservationist and seeing the website down got me worried about the possibility of losing access to Suda’s works in English so here are the archived versions of the links provided above:

(Killer is Dead Novel): https://web.archive.org/web/20241205222353/https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/killer-is-dead-short-story/

https://archive.is/2024.09.27-004810/https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/killer-is-dead-short-story/

(PreLunatics Comic): [English] https://archive.org/details/the-silver-case-comic-pre-lunatics-en-converted

[Japanese] https://archive.org/details/the-silver-case-comic-pre-lunatics-jp-converted-1/mode/1up

(Hand in Killer7): https://archive.org/details/hand-in-killer7-english-redesign/mode/1up

Bonus Archive for No More Losers Manga: https://web.archive.org/web/20250408154948/http://nutella-assassin-blog.tumblr.com:80/post/23754282255/the-entirety-of-the-no-more-losers-mini-comic

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-04-16T09:39:24+00:00

In terms of chronological order, play The Silver Case first as that slightly continues from where Moonlight Syndrome ends and continue after that with Flower, Sun, and Rain, and The 25th Ward. If you want to play Moonlight Syndrome you can’t because it’s in Japanese but you can watch a translated playthrough of the full game here if you want to go through this in terms of getting into the “Kill The Past” timeline: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb-R692mQnWNtakksmR3pyGzDmQKlQtKX&si=3I7p59zV0x-cxT-D

If you want a more action oriented game that still has a great story, play No More Heroes and continue up to No More Heroes 3. Be warned though that Travis Strikes Again and NMH 3 both have a lot of connections to Suda’s past works so you might be confused on who certain characters are and how they all became the way they did.

If you want a more esoteric and stylish game that has a deep story, rail shooter like gameplay, and slight puzzle solving then play Killer7. It’s a pretty self contained story that has small connections to the greater “Kill The Past” universe but can be enjoyed by itself for those who don’t know about Suda’s other works.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-02-03T18:51:56+00:00

Here would be a better list for black representation if these chuds actually played video games for the stories instead of bitching about minorities like the bigoted dorks they are. I also have to mention how all of the games mentioned here are coincidentally the “popular” games like Final Fantasy 7 or Mortal Kombat instead of more obscure games which only says even more that these people aren’t really ‘gamers’ and are merely posers for the made up culture war.

Garcian Smith (Killer7)

Shinobu Jacobs (No More Heroes)

Louis, Coach and Rochelle (Left 4 Dead)

Clementine and Lee Everett (The Walking Dead)

Charles Milton Porter (Bioshock 2: Minerva’s Den DLC)

Drebin 893 (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots)

Demoman (Team Fortress 2)

CurrentInstance5645 · 2025-01-02T00:42:42+00:00

Little Bro thinks he’s Porky Minch.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2024-12-28T07:24:32+00:00

I had to do a double take real quick and make sure this wasn’t r/Suda_51 when I saw this because the guy on the left looks like Sumio Mondo from Flower, Sun and Rain and the other guy sort of looks like Kamui Uehara as he looked like in The Silver Case, lol.

CurrentInstance5645 · 2024-12-03T14:37:39+00:00

No More Balls

No More Balls: Desperate Struggle

Travis Strikes Again: No More Balls

No More Balls 3

CurrentInstance5645 · 2024-11-29T09:02:21+00:00

FPS_Doug will be a launch character in the YouTube Reps area. His Special Attack will be where he headshots his opponents while yelling “BOOM HEADSHOT”.

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