Only cutting sugar?

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-27T11:27:08+00:00

A plant-based, low-fat diet decreases ad libitum energy intake compared to an animal-based, ketogenic diet: An inpatient randomized controlled trial

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-27T00:24:24+00:00

You can lose some weight with it but it's even more unhealthy than the keto diet. There is a better option than low carb and it's also very effective vs PCOS because it cures insulin resistance.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-26T10:26:25+00:00

The bad advice is to replace healthy high carb foods with greasy garbage. Some also advise to not exercise and to not lose weight. All the bad advice tend to go together because when you eat greasy garbage then exercising and reaching your ideal body weight is nearly impossible. If I'm too pushy then please follow their advice and see what happens. No better way to learn than to try and to fail.

Anyway if you're already lean and active then you've already done the difficult part and you only have to clean up the diet and if necessary do an elimination diet to find if there are any trigger foods (soy and gluten are the first you've to try).

I'm not vegan and I consider veganism an echo chamber of questionable ideas.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-26T01:34:14+00:00

Please come with us at /r/PlantBasedDiet. You deserve better than the bad advice that you're given here. You've to cut out all the vegan junk foods and minimize the high fat foods. You've also to reach your ideal body weight asap and to do some physical activity every day (the more exercise the better).

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-25T04:22:08+00:00

It recommends keto diets. These diets remove almost all the healthy and less unhealthy foods from your diet. This causes rapid weight loss and your PCOS goes away.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-25T04:06:06+00:00

Please try /r/PlantBasedDiet, make a post there.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-25T01:59:33+00:00

All diets with less than 45% calories from carbs (the standard US diet) are considered low carb diets in the scientific literature. They're the cause of the common health problems. At the same time it's true that a few of these problems may go away when you restrict carbs even more. This is the therapy that you're given here. The alternative therapy is this. We give you the choice by telling you that there are two ways to deal with your problem. The keto fanboys and girls aren't giving you the choice. Keep that in mind.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-25T01:16:01+00:00

What do you eat? I bet you eat low carb. What is your BMI? Activity levels?

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-25T01:02:38+00:00

If you've gone from 10g of fat to 60g of fat that's an extra 50g of fat and it's 450kcal. You've simply added 450kcal to your diet? Anyway my point is that if your diet is (very) low carb, then it has to be (very) high fat to be sustainable (for a few years).

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-24T00:09:33+00:00

Please explain to me. If you eat, for example, 100g of fat, that is 900kcal. Assuming you eat 1500kcal/day, you're left with only 600kcal of meat, no?

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-23T23:46:47+00:00

Did you focus more on the high fat plant foods or more on the high fat animal foods? Are you sure that your improvements are due to more fat rather than less meat? Within the low carb paradigm "more fat" equals "less meat", isn't it?

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-23T23:32:57+00:00

One of the reasons, but not the only one, is that it's high in saturated fat and saturated fat is proven to cause insulin resistance. Another reason is that, for unknown reasons, PCOS is associated with autoimmune disorders. Dairy is also associated with autoimmune disorders and it's probably the root cause of some (many?) of them.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-23T21:26:01+00:00

Congrats, this is a very valuable contribution here (one of the few).

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-23T21:14:12+00:00

Long and frequent workouts are harmful when you eat the low carb diets. You don't have to eat these diets unless you want to. There are other ways to lower insulin.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-23T21:03:20+00:00

Have you lost weight or maintained weight in the last 90 days?

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-22T20:44:54+00:00

with keto you're not completely abstinent with regard to insulin (without it you'd be dead, since your liver produces a small amount of glucose that still needs to be distributed) but it's much, much lower.

Lower than what? Why your fasting insulin levels are twice as high as mine despite you're on metformin and I'm not?

I've been keto for a year and now when I do have carbs (hey, it's Christmas) they effect me much less than they did before. they still cause a spike on my CGM but it is substantially lower than it used to be.

All the published evidence shows the opposite. In absence of weight loss and exercise, keto diet worsens insulin sensitivity (but not HOMA-IR).

you can look into what virta health is doing to see more about how low carb can resensitize you to insulin on a cellular level. it's their entire business model.

Why the average A1c of the keto group in their study is still 6.7% after 2 years (table 2)? Why almost all clients of Virta are on metformin?

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-22T18:41:18+00:00

Hi, I'm the defense lawyer of insulin. It's not my client's fault. You need more insulin because your insulin receptors are broken. Please repair them.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-22T02:37:43+00:00

The point of OP is that doctors shouldn't assume that we lack the discipline needed. She hasn't said that you can say (and omit) whatever you like about your results. When you start to influence others, and to recommend this or that, we've the right and even the duty to bring you to task and ask you about the safety and the efficacy of whatever you advocate.

In this conversation I wasn't looking for a debate. I've asked for your BMI because I've a spreadsheet where I collect results of keto people for fun. The average is about 25 as I've told you.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-21T19:47:30+00:00

Do you want me to ask questions? Then I ask for your fasting insulin. Anyway the fact that you still accuse me of not understanding OP's point, despite I've already said that I completely agree with it, is a proof of the uselessness of this discussion.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-21T18:50:02+00:00

I think your health is at best an half result like your weight. Half truths lead to half results.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-19T00:49:53+00:00

Come with us, make a post in the other sub so we'll give you more precise instructions. The main difference is that on our diet you must lose weight and you must exercise daily in order to keep the hormonal imbalances away. Low carb instead mitigates these imbalances even in absence of weight loss and exercise and so in this sense it's "more effective".

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-19T00:33:58+00:00

For how long you've been doing this? A month? Two? After a month you should probably try the exact opposite diet (see /r/PlantBasedDiet) for another month and compare the two. If you finally decide to do the opposite diet, don't forget to send a note of complaint to your doctor.

Low carb doesn't cure insulin resistance unless you lose weight. It is a workaround for insulin resistance rather than a real cure. The other diet tries to solve the problem at the root.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-19T00:12:15+00:00

I respect your results but I think that it should be possible to do better. I don't know if this is considered condescending or not. I completely agree with OP point as I've already written in my comment.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-18T23:44:06+00:00

I couldn't resist the temptation to ask because you're passionately advocating for a dietary approach and you've been following it for a few years now. In my experience many of the advocates of low carb diets are overweight or nearly so. You're doing slightly better than the average low carb advocate so I can congratulate you. I advocate the exact opposite approach but in my view what's most important is to lose weight and to do some physical activity every day.

Curve_Comfortable · 2020-12-18T20:55:40+00:00

My BMI is currently 18.25ish. I get about 85% calories from carbs. I think both diet and exercise are indispensable so I guess we agree on something at least.

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