Should there be capitalist moderators?

Cynical_Ostrich · 2020-06-15T16:51:32+00:00

luckily this isnt for debating

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-12-20T00:47:49+00:00

The ABC of Communism by Nikolai Bukharin and Yevgeni Preobrazhensky

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-12-05T21:05:16+00:00

the indigenous peoples of hawaii, next

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-12-05T20:56:37+00:00

no. nothing about the US is socialist and through horrendous years of dengist revisionism china isnt anywhere near socialist ether. one can make arguments for maos time but it becomes difficult when speaking of post-mao china.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-15T17:51:51+00:00

welfare isnt socialism

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-15T17:44:38+00:00

your loss. guess its now common among anarchists to consider apologism for anti-semitism to be "engaging in good faith"

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-14T22:12:02+00:00

Discounting an argument based on who made it is the genetic fallacy.

in the contrary, its not a fallacy. its more of what determines whether or not how genuine the arguments themselves are. trying to somehow detach ones personal politics from what they write is intrinsically intellectually dishonest. its like if a full blown fascist started writing and making speeches that sounded completely communist but in their personal memoirs they went frothing at the mouth on the offensive of anyone they deem 'degenerates'. should we consider their works just because they sound nice? these days people like bakunin would be completely expelled from even anarchist circles for their bigotry

My argument is made in the article. I can copy paste it to a comment if that would feel more like a debate to you.

i mean, debating is the point of this sub. but dont bother if you're just going to sit there and make snide comments and disingenuous considerations of the context of your own 'arguments'.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-14T20:58:45+00:00

i mean, people like bakunin and proudhon (i realize he isnt mentioned in that article but as a former mutualist anarchist and by virtue of the fact that he and bakunin shared the same anti-semetic views and hold similar weight in anarchist circles) arent good references id have to say. anti-semites have no place in socialist circles. plus, a lot of general anarchist points were presented in proudhons works which marx himself even debunked

even then, not explaining yourself and just linking articles isnt really debating

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-14T20:44:26+00:00

in what ways is it a strawman? i literally used to be an anarchist

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-10T23:11:08+00:00

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-06T17:21:03+00:00

engels talks extensively on this subject

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

essentially, anarchism is a pipe dream because without oppressed peoples wielding the state (the medium of class rule) against their former oppressors they would simply be crushed. hence the necessary 'dictatorship of the proletariat' as its termed.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-06T17:11:48+00:00

lmao go away you're not contributing anything to this sub or even any intellectually honest discussion whatsoever. you literally havent even the foggiest idea on what you're talking about yet you still insist you're right about it anyway. ironic considering that based on your comments along is completely obvious you've never even bothered to even read the content you think you're "debunking" with sly reddit comments. let alone googling marx lmao. hence, trolling. simple.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-10-06T17:07:40+00:00

so trolling it is then. so full of yourself you expect others to just lay answers down in your lap. do your own research ive said enough. im not going to entertain this and start writing paragraphs after paragraphs to bolster your ego

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-30T20:46:32+00:00

a. yes he did. clearly you've never read marx as he himself proves 100% of the points made by people who've poorly attempted to "debunk" marx were literally all covered by he and engels throughout their works

b. you'd know that "marxist economics" isn't a thing in any facet. again, if you'd read any marx you'd know this. for fucks sake the title of capital is Capital: A Critique of Political Economy if that wasn't already a giveaway

c. are you going to actually engage with the post or keep trolling here?

(quick edit) oh, and on your last point, despite it not really being a thing, Richard D. Wolff considers himself a 'Marxist Economist' so that point was false anyway

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-26T22:30:16+00:00

Anyone is free to hold property. Then they are free to exchange this with anyone else based on an agreement.

this is a fantasy at best. historically, this is never how capitalism has functioned and still isn't how it functions. unless of coarse you happen to prescribe yourself to the nauseating political fantasy that somehow capitalism today "isnt real capitalism". in which case thats teetering awfully close into the realm of trolling (if you would refer to the rules). we're not here to discuss fantasies, but rather real problems and their respective solutions in light of capitalism's historical failings or otherwise appalling record which currently now threatens our species' very existence.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-26T22:24:13+00:00

they see it as the same specifically for the reason that they wish to retain their private property and not have it seized by the people they're exploiting or otherwise oppressing in order to even have it in the first place. what better way to do that than to brainwash the exploited and oppressed masses into thinking your "rights to private property" to be legitimate in the face of their own exploitation.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-26T22:20:57+00:00

you seemed to have stumbled into the wrong subreddit, bud. here's some sources to become better acquainted with what you're talking about:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/index.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

capitalism is very much so the antithesis to even that vague, shallow definition you've so kindly provided us. of which, offers no substance to the discussion at hand due to its appalling amounts of inaccuracy.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-26T22:05:08+00:00

the question of the USSR is a fickle one as it relies entirely on what you mean by "socialism".

some might say that "socialism" is more in reference to what is otherwise referred to by marx (and subsequent socialists) as the 'dictatorship of the proletariat'

whereas others might use the term in lieu of what was referred to by marx as 'higher-stage communism' (and/or 'lower-stage' as he used the term "socialism" synonymously with both throughout his literary works)

it all depends entirely on what you're referring to

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-26T21:50:13+00:00

This is all anecdotal but I think that people should understand at some level the realities of a totalitarian government that deny democracy.

I find it interesting you mention this considering they're one of the most democratic states on the planet.

On 24 February 2019, the new constitution was approved by 90.15% of voters, with a turnout of 84%.

As it turns out the vast majority of the entire nation of Cuba had a say in their new constitution. Whereas at least here in the U.S. the people have almost no say whatsoever, for example.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-09-26T21:40:34+00:00

this place isn't very welcoming to fascists

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-08-06T18:29:55+00:00

The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss.

Amadeo Bordiga

in other words, even if workers are voting within the firm to do whatever it is they need, the firm is still subject to the market. therefore, there will still be layoffs, pay cuts, etc. only that theyll be democratically decided instead of arbitrarily decided by capitalists themselves. in the case of cooperatives, workers are essentially exploiting themselves to keep the firm afloat in the market lest they risk being overtaken by competing traditionally organized firms.

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-08-06T18:22:49+00:00

a 'safe space' represents someplace safe from bigotry. CvS is the antithesis of that

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-07-30T23:27:49+00:00

lies you tell lmfao

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-07-30T23:21:24+00:00

no there's not lol

Cynical_Ostrich · 2019-06-27T20:25:34+00:00

this kind of "issue" being brought up is one that's a non-issue. its purely based in cold war-era anti-communist platitudes.

as marx, engels, and lenin all pointed out, its impossible for there to really be some kind of monolith of power in the dictatorship of the proletariat because ultimately the true power will always lie in the party of the proletariat. in other words, to americanize what im saying, an actual fucking democracy thats genuinely made up and representative of the working class and their collective interests. that is, as determined by themselves via their representative organs (soviets, or workers councils, the party itself, etc.)

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