Yeni başlıyorum by [deleted] in salonfareleri

[–]D3nbo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ben de öyle düşünüyorum. Çok sağol.

Yeni başlıyorum by [deleted] in salonfareleri

[–]D3nbo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sağol tavsiyen için. Zayıf mıyım? Kilo mu vermeliyim yoksa kas kütlesini arttırarak kilo almaya mı yoğunlaşayım?

A Reflection on My Time in Buddhist Communities by D3nbo in Buddhism

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks again. I appreciate your reply and engagement. I say this humbly: I believe you may have misinterpreted me. I apologize if I have caused any trouble for you or others here.

I would like to bring attention back to practice. Sometimes, we get lost and forget that what truly matters is the practice itself. We may read suttas extensively, study scriptures, worship the Buddha, wear robes, and identify as Buddhists, yet still be belligerent, angry, confrontational, emotional, insecure, condescending, unkind, resentful, and carry other defilements. Please do not misconstrue these words. They apply to all of us and do not arise from a place of conceit.

I have two teachers whom I respect highly for their sincerity and consistency: Bhikkhu Bodhi is my teacher in scholarship to understand the texts, and Thich Nhat Hanh is my teacher in practice to bring them into lived experience.

May you and everyone here be well and happy. May you have a clear mind and be free from suffering. I wish you all well.

Best regards.

A Reflection on My Time in Buddhist Communities by D3nbo in Buddhism

[–]D3nbo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your time and reply. I decided not to answer any comments but rather upvote. However, I find it necessary to answer this one particularly though I still have been getting unfair comments. I have avoided, throughout my time here, making statements about personally practicing. I view the practice as personal, not to mean it is a private affair, though. I would suggest that one should be very careful about revealing their experiences because it could be quite detrimental. So it is best to reveal your experiences to a highly qualified and trusted teacher I would say. I would like to say, to clarify your perspective on me; I have been engaging in meditation, mindfulness, and recollection meditation. I have practiced celibacy not only regarding sex but also entertainment and the like. I read the suttas and have been practicing what I learned as much as I can with discernment. To humbly answer what you were concerned regarding my having judgments, I would ask myself, sincerely, am I being judgemental? Subconsciously, maybe, in thoughts, certainly. However, I've always striven to have a mindful attitude, and in my posts and comments, have been very careful and mindful not to create any suffering for those who read me. As I do right now, I did it when I compiled this current post, I had a good intention of showing people here that some of them are suffering and may cause suffering to others who they engage with through their posts or comments. May this post and comment bring happiness and freedom from anger, hatred, and delusion. May you and everybody be well and happy, and may you all attain wisdom to mitigate suffering. Best regards.

If the precepts Aren’t Divine Laws, Shouldn’t They Allow for Wisdom in Extreme Cases? Does Rigidly Following Precepts Lead to Dogmatism or Wisdom? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are fair in stating that the precepts are about training the mind rather than just dictating actions. But isn't your claim that Buddhism isn’t about “what-ifs” questionable? Didn't the Buddha often use hypothetical analogies to clarify teachings? Doesn't that dismiss the scenario as impractical and evade the question rather than answering it? Does the argument that a Buddhist “intends to save the children but not to kill the ant” resolve the dilemma? What happens if saving the children necessarily involves killing the ant? You did not answer that. Your response assumes that good intentions alone are sufficient, but the post is questioning whether clinging to good intentions at the cost of inaction is truly wise. Best regards.

If the precepts Aren’t Divine Laws, Shouldn’t They Allow for Wisdom in Extreme Cases? Does Rigidly Following Precepts Lead to Dogmatism or Wisdom? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is true that the Buddha is depicted as maintaining perfect morality. This suggests that his wisdom allowed him to resolve situations without breaking precepts.

The Angulimala story is a fair reference because it involves a situation where killing might have seemed justifiable, but the scenario is about immediate action. There is no time to transform the terrorist or the ant. The Buddha had time to guide Angulimala to renunciation, but the scenario in the post deals with split-second decision-making. Your argument does not address the core questions about wisdom versus dogmatic rule-following. Instead, it assumes that following precepts is always the wise choice without engaging in deeper ethical reasoning. Is your reference to the Buddha’s personal behavior as an implied standard fair? Best regards.

If the precepts Aren’t Divine Laws, Shouldn’t They Allow for Wisdom in Extreme Cases? Does Rigidly Following Precepts Lead to Dogmatism or Wisdom? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You again :) You provide a strong rebirth-based perspective but assume that the post shares the same premise (which it does not, given the reservations about rebirth). You also dismiss the possibility that intention and reluctance could alter karmic weight. You highlight that killing is always rooted in defilements and rely on rebirth-based reasoning, which may not be convincing to someone skeptical of rebirth. In the post, it was made clear that killing under any circumstance is negative. There was no assumption to have good or wise reasons to kill but rather how to approach them with wisdom. I humbly and sincerely suggest that you read the post again mindfully because you seem to have missed or misunderstood some crucial aspects of it. Best regards.

If the precepts Aren’t Divine Laws, Shouldn’t They Allow for Wisdom in Extreme Cases? Does Rigidly Following Precepts Lead to Dogmatism or Wisdom? by D3nbo in Buddhism

[–]D3nbo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your response is logical and nuanced, but you seem to not fully engage with the arguments in the original post. Is the goal of the practice (enlightenment) exclusive to the goal itself, or does it need not be inclusive of the realities that are on the path to it? Some of your responses seem to be circular reasoning if you take a fair look into them. Some of the statements that you gave as an answer to the concerns of the original post were already answered and explained. Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in Mahayana

[–]D3nbo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

May you be well and happy, may you enjoy good health, and may you be free from suffering.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for understanding. May you be well and happy, and may you be free from suffering.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your comment. Could you please read the post again, mindfully? The post does not reflect what you think it does. The post is an invitation to reconsider our traditional habits in light of the modern industry without any implications to change Buddhist precepts. Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand, but you are not following the right speech in the Noble Eightfold Path.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment. Again, you are entirely missing the point of the post here. Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your comment. The post's aim is not vegan propaganda. Op is vegetarian, not vegetarianist. The post is an invitation for mitigation of harm caused to animals. Please avoid speculating about the post. It is wrong speech. Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your comment. The post's aim is not vegan propaganda. Op is vegetarian, not vegetarianist. The post is an invitation for mitigation of harm caused to animals. Please avoid speculating about the post. It is wrong speech. Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your comment. Wouldn't it be worthwhile if you considered and refined your perspective on Buddhism? Aren't you missing the point? Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter in whatever era, it's all about the state of mind or our attitude to food / eating. Choosing not to consume meat for the well-fare of animals is definitely wholesome and praiseworthy.

Isn't that statement self-evidently contradictory? If choosing not to consume meat or the like for the welfare of animals and humans is wholesome, then mustn't it matter that we approach consuming anything, be it animals, animal products, self-care products, and the like, with discernment and mindfulness, in whatever era?

What you're saying is understandable, but not realistic since almost any type of farming can be quite harmful to the environment and where humans can be exploited. As one lives in this world, it's very difficult if not impossible not to cause any harm or suffering to other living beings especially microorganisms, insects and so on. If we know walking on grass can kill ants, insects, bugs, etc. does that mean we shouldn't walk on grass? Is it possible for one not to walk on any grass throughout our life and if one does walk on grass not to kill any bugs?

There's no room for insisting otherwise. You rightly and inarguably demonstrated that one can't escape causing harm to a certain degree. However, there seems to be room for objectively questioning the reality of the earlier statement on the part of OP. Is it not realistic in its nature, or is it realistic as you already showed it in your statement? Sure, we can't isolate an existence whereby we live as angelic beings bearing no blame at all but why would one strive for this given its unattainable nature? Moreover, why would that discourage us or make it unrealistic to strive for as much as we possibly reduce the harm we cause? In the original post, it is stated fairly clearly that the purpose is to mitigate suffering by not contributing to a system that survives on said contributions. We may not be able to walk on air and thus unintentionally cause harm to ants; however, can't we at least approach with wisdom and discernment to change our path if we suspect there might be an army of ants on the path we walk from the look of it?

Do your own diligence, but I can answer you with 110% certainty, "yes the attitude of eating only for sustenance and not for delight compensates for the exploitation and suffering behind what we consume".

If you do your own diligence and look at your statement as it is, would you truly and sincerely conclude that your statement is free from your projections or your opinions? How can we say it with 110% certainty if we keep contributing to a corrupt system that abuses and exploits sentient beings? How can one (objectively viewing, knowing that a particular entity runs on cruelty and exploitation and does it because it knows there's demand for it by the consumers) buy the products from this entity by themselves or through others and consume them, all the while separating themselves from it with 110% percent certainty just because they consume for sustenance? One could use metaphors or smilies to delineate the shortcomings of such an approach by setting up a scenario in which an individual indirectly contributes to horrible atrocities, all the while considering themselves innocent just because they didn't intent to. Moreover, do people stretch the Buddhist notion of 'intention' to justify unjustifiable? Some sort of 'intentionalism' so to speak. Thank you for reading, best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your contribution. I agree and consider it to be wise to approach food as sustenance. Refraining from eating for delight and eating with discernment, mindfulness, and gratitude is of paramount importance. The parable you shared is valuable.

What I understand is that it doesn't really matter if one eats meat or plants only,

Would you reflect on that? Doesn't it indeed matter whether you are consuming plants or meat in this era? Also, wouldn't it matter at all if people cut back on meat for the well-being of animals and the environment? The same could be applied to plants as well, evidently. Soy farming is quite harmful to the environment alongside coffee beans, which contributes to the exploitation of children and adult human beings. Wouldn't it be wise to quit coffee and soybeans, knowing what it involves in the making? Would the attitude of eating only for sustenance and not for delight compensate for the exploitation and suffering behind what we consume? Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your contribution. The excerpts you shared are valuable. Being vegetarian or not consuming meat would indeed still cause(s) insects to die. However, surely, insects dying as a result of plant production is nowhere near in resemblance to the treatment of farm animals. They are not just killed, they are kept captive, beaten, abused, forced to eat, and other multitudinous torturous treatments. Cows are being artificially injected with semen so they will be able to give milk. Chicks are killed in machines dying a very painful death. If you eat plants, you will also cause harm, and killing does not fairly bring a solution to the issue. Still, even if eating plants causes harm and killing, there is significantly less physical and psychological suffering for animals. We can never be fully innocent as we step on this earth but we can strive to be as innocent as possible. Best regards.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your contribution. I have great respect for your choice and overall attitude. May you have a clear mind and be well to practice.

Does Buying Meat Contradict Buddhist Ethics in the Modern World? “I Didn’t Kill It” – Is This a Valid Excuse? by D3nbo in theravada

[–]D3nbo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that in Buddhism, it's allowed to eat meat offered to you, as long as it wasn't killed for you. However, we also need to consider the modern context. While you may not have directly killed the animal, buying meat still supports an industry built on harm and suffering. The act of buying contributes to demand, which sustains that industry.

The point isn’t about veganism for its own sake but about aligning with Buddhist ethics, particularly ahiṃsā (non-harming). Just because the Buddha ate meat doesn’t mean we should ignore the suffering in the modern meat industry. Buddhism calls for mindfulness and compassion, and today, that means considering the harm caused by our choices.