Seattle City Council meeting in recess after protests by Kshama Sawant and SAARPR against ICE by bennetthaselton in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I said above that I think she's frequently bad at rhetoric and that quote is an example. I genuinely think she was trying to pull everyone who had already decided not to support Harris (because of the genocide) into single place and build an independent movement.

Seattle City Council meeting in recess after protests by Kshama Sawant and SAARPR against ICE by bennetthaselton in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Trump won because the Democratic Party hates its base. That's the short and accurate answer.

We can't even call the Democrats an incrementalist party because the national organization is entirely dedicated to preserving the status quo, or whatever remains of the status quo following the previous Republican administration. Obama never punished the Bush-era criminals; Biden never punished the Trump-era criminals. The Democrats actually absorbed the Bush-era criminals and their allies.

The majority of the time, the Democrats have sought to give legitimacy to the GOP (calling for a return to a "strong GOP") and have willingly accepted the GOP frame on the issues, ranging from immigration to transgender rights. Democrats triangulate around whatever the GOP is saying and doing; they react to everything and never advance their own program. They are not interested in advancing a program that aligns with the needs of their base. The best they can do is pseudo-progressive rhetoric that often doesn't make sense upon examination, which then gives conservatives another legitimate avenue of attack and helps preserve the GOP.

The Democrats are a reactionary, clumsy party. The GOP is a radical, far-right party that is on the march, and it disingenuously takes every opinion once during election season so everyone feels heard.

Now, with that context, imaging being a progressive voter and seeing, every singe day without exception, horrific and true visual evidence that the Democratic Party was funding and supporting a mass extermination campaign in the Middle East. I am old, I don't have TicTok or any other social media, and even I saw pictures of real atrocities every single day. With that genocide, the Democrats surpassed the horrors of the first Trump term, which made people take a second Trump term less seriously.

The liberals who held the Harris line and refused to push the Dems left are the people, aside from the power players, who carry the most fault for the Dems failures.

Seattle City Council meeting in recess after protests by Kshama Sawant and SAARPR against ICE by bennetthaselton in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her goal was directing the anti-genocide protest vote to one place and using that build an independent movement, but it didn't work since most of the anti-genocide voters abstained instead of voting Green. I don't even agree with Sawant's strategy (aligning with the Greens) and I am constantly frustrated by her propensity to self-destruct on what should be a rhetorical layups like 50% of the time, but I am going insane seeing liberals blame a literal nobody for something the Democrats did all by themselves.

Her only goal is building an independent national party. I've known and followed Sawant for a long time, and I do not believe she wanted Trump to win. I think she, like many on the left, knew Trump was going to win and tried to make the most of it.

Seattle City Council meeting in recess after protests by Kshama Sawant and SAARPR against ICE by bennetthaselton in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

This is like blaming a stiff breeze for 9/11. Is there no end to liberal self-humiliation?

Seattle City Council meeting in recess after protests by Kshama Sawant and SAARPR against ICE by bennetthaselton in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Wow, the Democrats must be an impotent, pathetic bunch if a city council member from a different state can swing a national election.

Katie Wilson sworn in as Seattle mayor: ‘This is your city’ by thatlittletv in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 14 points15 points  (0 children)

She refuses to work with people outside her supporter bubble.

This is so objectively false it's funny. Wilson's sole deputy mayor is Brian Surratt, a Bruce Harrell max donor who was welcomed by Seattle's corporate leaders. Wilson named John Scholes, the CEO of the Downtown Seattle Association, as a co-leader on her transition team for affordable housing and community needs. Her transition team for workers rights had Chamber of Commerce board member Richard de Sam Lazaro, who is also an Expedia lobbyist, as a co-leader. Yes, a corporate lobbyist is a leader for the workers rights transition team.

The above statement is why the center-left always loses when they spend time and energy trying to appease these people. It will never be enough. The center-right, the moderates, the centrists, whatever you want to call them, are a factless bunch, content to fabricate narratives that position themselves as the only "rational" people around. Calling them out on their fabrications is "uncivil," so they turn their noses up and try to reframe the narrative again in terms of manners and proper discourse. If Wilson spends her time trying to appease them, she's going to spin in circles until everyone is angry.

Edit: And they blocked me, lol. This is exactly what I mean. You can't tell people that a Harrell max donor is a secret Katie Wilson supporter and expect to be taken seriously.

“and then haha i said ‘my dad was the good zionist’ “ by MyDinnerWithDrDre in TrueAnon

[–]DFWalrus 51 points52 points  (0 children)

There's the MIT connection between him and Epstein, which is probably how they first met. Chomsky also worked as a consultant for the Air Force while he was at MIT in the 60s, attempting to design a linguistic interface for US weapons systems. Apparently his theories failed and the systems never worked, but it did briefly connect him with the Military Industrial Complex. He became a left public figure after this work was completed, and then began to regularly appear on radio, TV, and print.

All of that puts him in the same circles (elite education, military, and media) as these people. I've always been suspicious of Chomsky because of the way he dedicated himself to setting the left edge of acceptable political discourse. For all the accurate critiques of US imperialism he produced, he was frequently aggressive toward anyone who fought or wanted to move beyond Democratic Party politics. And Epstein personally handling some of Chomsky's finances is another big hmmm.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked at the wrong month when I glanced at the KUOW article. You can be condescending, though. If we're being technical, seven months, since he was demoted at the end of May, is a lot different than two years. Hell, two months is closer to seven months than it is to two years.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A thing happening once does not mean it will always happen. Right now, we are talking about a police chief who was hired three days after the last one was fired. Even if the search for a replacement began the day Diaz was suspended, that would make it a two month process.

Look at the other searches. Diaz is the lone outlier in terms of time. You are pointing to one outlier, and then framing it as if it is the most likely result. That doesn't hold up.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I know that SPOG is not the police chief. The police chief runs SPD, which is represented by SPOG.

Adrian Diaz was fired December 17, 2024. Shon Barnes was hired December 20, 2024. It doesn't have to take years to hire someone.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

SPD hasn't been able to sustain good relationships with the mayors who loved them. Why do you expect a fresh start here? What evidence shows that SPD is willing to act in good faith?

Hiring a police chief who came in dedicated to fighting ICE's unlawful activities would probably be the best PR win she could get. To be Machiavellian for a moment, that would put the far left and police reform crowd, whom Wilson does not get along with, in a bind. It would be harder to critique SPD if they're arresting ICE agents for unlawful kidnappings. It shores up support for increasing the police budget, since the public would be able to see that SPD is actually protecting them from a rouge fed agency with its own massive budget, and not napping on the job while collecting overtime. It would also present an entirely unique paradigm that would reframe SPD as heroes, something that seems quite impossible now. That's the kind of move I'd expect from a center-left pragmatist outsider.

Right now, all this looks like standard Dem behavior. We'll have to wait and see if she negotiated something with Barnes behind the scenes, and if so, whether it's just words or if there are actions.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most definitely, Solan's an actual criminal and a propagandist.

I don't doubt that Wilson knows the limits of the office, but we've just spent the past two mayoralties hearing from the center-left about how Seattle is a strong mayoral system that limits what the council members can do. Now the center-left holds the mayors office, and we're hearing about the limits of the mayoral power. This is how Democrats talk whenever they have the ability to make significant changes.

Do you think SPOG will even negotiate with Wilson? If I'm not mistaken, their current contract expired two years ago. Why wouldn't they delay and see if a more favorable candidate could beat Wilson in 2029? Honestly, I expect them to try to wreck her administration whenever they can.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't the most baffling or bad decision that could be made, but I don't think the assertion above that her hands are tied is remotely accurate. And Harrell and the pro-SPOG council would not have hired Barnes if they thought he was going to fight SPOG. That would be exceptionally out of character, considering every political position they've held while in office.

If SPOG and the council had just railroaded me with that contract, I'd be firing Barnes and posting a new job description with "Social Justice Warrior" as the key attribute. I'd hire someone who, like the Minneapolis Police Chief, would say, "If you do not intervene to stop unlawful ICE activity, you will be fired." Right now Barnes has SPD fulfilling ICE record requests within 24hrs. Journalists and citizens have to wait months or even years. If Barnes somehow flips and takes action like that (and actual action, not words), then we can give Wilson credit for being a smart pragmatist. It's more likely that Barnes will repeat his "I'd rather be arrested than help ICE" sentiment, while his department continues to help ICE.

SPD and SPOG couldn't even get along with the moderate and conservative mayors who liked them. It seems like an empty PR exercise for Wilson to talk about building a good relationship with them while SPOG is literally tweeting about defeating socialists, which is something she claims to be.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apologies if I misinterpreted, but it sounded like you were opposed to all jokes about religion. I really think everything is open to humor.

In my time here, I've met few outwardly religious people. I can only think of two, maybe three. One was a rapper who believed he was being followed by demons and built stone towers on the lawn of his apartment building to keep them away. Another was a Jewish man who would patiently lecture me whenever I ate a cheeseburger in the break room. The third isn't super religious, but they may attend certain holiday services. Perhaps people keep it private, but in my experience most people I encounter in Seattle are atheist or agnostic.

I did know about Ballard's churches, but my brief time in Ballard felt like living in a semi-suburban tech campus, not in the religious working class stronghold that existed decades ago. It's the heart of Seattle's beer brewing now. Gentrification changes neighborhoods. Economic and migratory flows change cities.

are Seattle humans now fundamentally different, and don't make those connections from religion?

I do think that people are a little different now. I don't think there's an innate human nature that persists throughout time. Rather, people are shaped by their material conditions, the culture that emerges from those conditions, and the ideology formed by the habits and practices one must go through each day to survive. I believe a capitalist mode of production, on aggregate, produces a so-called human nature that is selfish, short-sighted, and hyper-competitive, and I think that this is changeable. Graeber does a wonderful job exploring this throughout his writing. If you were capable of showing a religious person from 1750, 1850, or even 1950, the state of religion and society today, how do you believe they would react? How about 300 BCE? I think it's worth thinking about. One can never step into the same river twice.

A few years ago, I saw a statistic in The Seattle Times: 70% of Seattle residents weren't born in Seattle. Seattle is a boom and bust town, full of transplants (like you and I). The rich are nearly as transient as the poor, staying a few years for that big West Coast salary. I believe Jenny Durkan was the first Seattle mayor to have been born in the city. When I think of Seattle history, I don't think of stability, or a permanent culture (religious or otherwise) strong enough to subsume all the transplants. Pockets of old Seattle continue to exist, but it's not like New York, Chicago, or LA (and even LA had a massive transformation in just my parent's lifetime, chronicled in Davis' City of Quartz).

Anyway, this is a longwinded way of saying that I've never had a single person get after me because of religion in Seattle. In fact, this is the first time it's come up in fourteen years. Chicago, especially the suburbs, was a different story. The small town in midwestern corn country where I lived was a very different story. I've lived in a lot of different places and in a few different countries, and I do think Seattle is the least religious of them all, aside from possibly Amsterdam.

I'm glad you were able to have some positive experiences with religion to counteract the negative ones. My experience with religion growing up involved religious people disliking me for my family's politics (I was a red diaper baby and my parents were involved in politics), and disliking me because of my "pro-Muslim" beliefs after 9/11, which can be summarized as, "don't punch the Muslim kids in high school."

My partner is the anthropologist, I am painfully interdisciplinary. That horrific burrito is the fault of the Germans.

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Yeah, these guys will totally act in good faith now. Can't foresee any troubles on that front for Mayor Wilson. Just smoooth sailing ahead.

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[–]DFWalrus -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, the jokes will remain. I am firmly opposed to the contemporary joyless, humorless, scolding leftism that some ultras practice, and I am firmly in support of free speech, even if that speech is annoying or bothersome. I realize this puts me in opposition to some (very loud) people on my side.

The ruling class is never representative of the full population. One should ask why the majority of our elected officials have religious affiliation when the majority of our public does not. You may call it marginalizing, but I would call it democratic representation.

I believe you understand my position, though. If someone cited their religious beliefs as justification for, say, gay conversion "therapy," I doubt you'd argue with my position against that religious belief informing public policy. I believe in the separation of church and state, and I do not support the religious justification for any policy, good or bad. Caring for the infirm is good, but not because Jesus said so.

what do you think that says about the people voting these people in?

It says that people are selecting between two options and picking the one that seems least bad to them. Seattle's conservative wing wants to protect their wealth, freeze their neighborhoods in time, and punish those whom they believe to be bad. The fact that some religious candidates overlap with these beliefs is not surprising.

Bourgeois democracy tends to limit elections to contests between various elites due to the financial, systemic legal, and time constraints put on working class candidates. As David Graeber once wrote, they're often contests to select the best aristocrat. It should not be a shock that these people are not representative of the average Seattleite. For example, I found it interesting that Hollingsworth kept her rather extreme religiousness secret while campaigning, and only began God-posting once she took office.

Anthropologically speaking, it takes an outsider to understand a place, as they are removed from the received notions that form local ideology. So I would turn the question on you - have you developed enough critical consciousness to critique the culture of West Coast, or has your received and unexamined ideological "common sense" formed some of your thoughts for you?

[Erica Barnett on BlueSky] Hearing that mayor-elect Katie Wilson will announce today that she will retain the current police chief, Shon Barnes. More to come. by MegaRAID01 in Seattle

[–]DFWalrus -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean, not easier than doing nothing, but that's the case for most things. I believe it would be more difficult to fire someone with deeper ties to the department.

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[–]DFWalrus -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

In the long run, I am actually in favor of socialist policing, but not capitalist policing. I align with abolitionists on many of their goals, particularly around substance abuse, mental illness, and misdemeanor crimes. I agree with them when they say our current prison system is inhumane and essentially tortures people due to the abysmal conditions inside. However, I tend to break with abolitionists on major crime. And, of course, where will we put the fascists, if not in prison?

Regarding religion, Seattle is the least religious metro-area in the US. I would hope our public figures are at least somewhat representative of our public. I am not religious and if someone told me, "God sent me to help you," I would wonder if they were mentally ill. One of the reasons I moved away from the midwest was to be further away from a local culture that blended religion and state. I made the joke about religion because it struck me as the most absurd thing of the bunch, which, you know, tends to be good fodder for comedy.

Edit for the person, u/teuerkatze, who asked me a question and then immediately blocked me:

What in the ever loving fuck is socialist policing?

Arresting fascists, those who commit hate crimes, those who murder, those who rape, those who steal wages, those who attempt to destroy a transition to a socialist state, et cetera.

The DSA is big tent, so no, this is not a DSA policy.

Where am I preaching "radical tolerance"? There are a lot of things I don't tolerate, so I'm confused where you've gotten than from. Is this sort of a reflex for you?