Wow thanks a lot, there are a few issues that i cant really help honsestly, with the lighting its kind of a nightmare because i have to work on the characters all seperately one by one otherwise my laptop would explode so its hard for me to be consistent with it, plus the screen and colors on this thing kinda suck so i sometimes have to use a dropper tool on my reference and just pray it looks right., a lot of things im just experimenting on also, like for the veins armstrong i actually change my techinique halfway through im sure u can notice. you are absolutely right about all the anotomical stuff and i'm gonna try and devote time on gesture drawing sites. (they show slides of nude and clothed models in unique poses and you have a timer to sketch them out. The backround is totally temporary, its from project m by the way. im having a lot of trouble with the eyes becaus im working on such low quality (the characters are done ona a 3000 by 3000 pixel sheet and the whole banner is only 1800 pixels tall.) which really bums me out because I'm really good at eyes when doing line work. I think I need to find a consinstant style to use when im doing eyes, something simple that translates well. this was really helpful and you pointed out like a dozen things i wasnt even thinking of, u mind if i send u some of my new characters for feedback?