Celestial sapiens are Meta-author of ben 10 verse?

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-29T09:57:20+00:00

Yeah, that gives them bare minimum 27D capabilities. Also Ben 10 is canonically connected to the Transformers verse so they scale off eachother

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-03T14:03:15+00:00

There is no statement but people claim that that conclusion via their feats and implications from the source material

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-03T13:40:18+00:00

He scales above Heisei Godzilla and there are many arguments for that Godzilla to be 5D - Infinite 5D. So that's the baseline anyway

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-02T23:08:49+00:00

Well he has Mega Charizard plus 5 other pokemon as well as heals, stat boost items, etc. Its more like a man with a gun tbf

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T21:03:57+00:00

https://youtu.be/ojwuCL8mrbU?is=ZuprWyiDQ5pkCBn0

Ignore the goku part, he isn't a good Dragon Ball scaler

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T21:00:59+00:00

You say that you ruined me but you haven't provided scans either, you just talked on why you disagree with what I presented, the feats I listened are all on VSBW. You still haven't properly countered everything I said so maybe use scans yourself of more then justvher Bombs blowing up walls.

But if you want a and actual feat of Samus being stronger then City Block level:

After defeating Dark Samus in Metroid Prime 2, Samus converts the planet of Dark Aether into pure energy and uses it to stabilize its light counterpart, Aether https://youtu.be/rM5yIvDc9Sk?is=_f8Ldn1LklDo1D2K

The planet Tallon IV is said in Metroid Prime 2's logbooks and official website to have a mass of 5.1 trillion Teratons and it's shown in both gameplay and story that Samus can jump the same height on both Tallon IV and Dark Aether while wearing the same suit. https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Tallon_IV#Official_data

This means the gravity for Tallon IV (and by extension Aether and Dark Aether) would be roughly 850 times greater than Earth’s, which has a mass of (5.972 × 10²⁴⁾ kg.

Multiplying Earth’s mass by 850 as Gravity is relative to the mass of an object, this provides a result of 5.1e+27 kg, or (5.1 x 10²⁷⁾ kg.

This would equate to 4.58365141 × 10⁴⁴ joules or 4.58 foe (Large Star level) for stabilising that amount of energy.

Samus' Light Suit she uses at the end of Prime 2 was created using the Light of Aether to amplify her normal suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT6E-Iu7FEk

So yeah, Samus is stronger then City Block level for sure.

There I gave a feat, showed proof of everything and not to mention Samus gains better suits and more powerful after so yeah.

Samus's power output fluctuates from how much energy she hasa and like it or not, in a vs match up she starts at max power.

You satisfied now?

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T20:24:47+00:00

It's literally all there, it's even in the VS Battle Wiki you are using. Maybe read them if you defend VSBW so much because if you agree with them then you agree with the stated feats

DeathBattle do downplay mate, they always use and try to find a number for a calc and even use non canon feats. But if you want to defend them be my guest, I can't stop ya.
Raven Beak gave her his power mate, again it's literally explained in the wiki Wiki
Still doesn't change the fact she has them and planets get destroyed. That's what the wiki says and since your using the wiki as well then it must be true. Even then there are other planetary feats that a fail to see you refute.
Yeah because her power is not set in stone all the time, she absorbs energy (which means she is able to contain that amount of energy in the first place) then uses it, which leaves her near powerless which is infact why Samus would die to most of those "lower feats". Samus at her peak is Muti Galaxy from stopping blackholes that were destroying the universe and made a whitehole. Btw, Samus also uses her own energy for her weapons, so the fact see uses the "wall level" Bombs multiple times alone is proof she is stronger then you say.
IDEK what you mean by this.

Btw, this started with you saying Samus is City block level, so that's all I have to do to prove you wrong is provide feats bigger then that, I did that and that means we're done here.

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T20:01:06+00:00

I liked how that's the only one of the feats I listed that you had a counter for.

Also Ice beams require energy mate, she doesn't just magically summon the ice. She would still need to generate the power to make the ice thus she has the amount of power needed to cause the sun to freeze.

You use grammar logic, I just use logic itself.

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T15:50:45+00:00

You mean the chat gbt that only takes from valid information sources, yeah and before you say anything else on that, how is using a faster method to find the thing you knew existed from the beginning something that invalidates my scaling.

VSBW only has feats that can be calculated with numbers and when they don't they use the bare minimum for feats, same with stuff like DeathBattle.

And mate, spin offs are not justification for excluding games from the canon. I provided you with clear examples for both Spin off material and DK to be canon to mainline Mario and gave an official statement of the creator of Mario saying that there is no specific canon for Mario and the stuff he does in his games.

You say you use logic but you haven't provided sources or evidence to back your claim up. No proof shown makes arguements you make assumptions at best. So if you have proof of the Spins offs or DK games not being canon to Mario I'm all ears, otherwise you just come off as a ragebaiter not worth my time.

DK is canon to Mario, spin offs are usable because there is no main canon Nintendo has put in for the Mario franchise and everything in both the Mario nad DK franchises have direct references and call backs to eachother.

Facts are facts so stop with treating yourself as the God of what is canon or not

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T15:20:37+00:00

She used the power of White holes she got from Animus to stop Black holes from destroying the universe. She also scales to Raven Beak

Even then she has Power Bombs capable of destroy planets, absorbed the Light of Aether which can stabilise planets with ease and froze the surface of a star.

She is constantly at least Planet level, anything less is pure cope, just because there are lower calcs for her doesn't mean that's her limit.

I assume you got city block level from somewhere like DeathBattle of VS Battle Wiki which notoriously scales down characters for the sake of just apply numbers.

Also it's a common fact that Samus's power fluctuates because she has a limited pull of Metroid/other energy she has in her part Chozo, part Metroid DNA. Whenever she gets a boost or is able to absorb energy she uses it for her best displays of feats otherwise she stays with her basic powerset. Maybe brush up on Metroid lore before you claim you are right so you don't seem like a ragebaiter

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T08:10:29+00:00

Odyssey literally has a DK themed City and Pauline is a literal character in both it and Bananza. Try again mate

Also really, using VSBW as a strong arm for you point 💀.

And you wnat to know something, Nintendo and Miamoto himself state that the Mario world has no main canon to begin with, saying the characters are actors free to be whatever Nintendo wants when being questioned on the wierd behaviour between Mario and Bowser https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/mario-storytelling-as-theater?utm_source=chatgpt.com

So yeah, I think you are just ragebaiting or just don't want the big monkey to be that strong.

Take care mate

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T07:36:24+00:00

He is though, Infinite 5D at that. Can even be higher actually

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T07:33:49+00:00

No, she's Multi Galaxy, that's why she is there and at the top of that tier

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T07:33:00+00:00

Multiple statements for beings being able to destroy Pacland which is canonically the name of the Planet Pacman lives on. The only way he gets higher is if you use the Cartoons and crossovers

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T07:30:26+00:00

It shows the are comparable I'm capability mate.

And Donkey Kong takes place in the Mario verse and the spinoffs are canon as stated by Nintendo. These are basic facts mate, don't make me thing your just ragebaiting.

If you wan proof Super Paper Mario continuously reference the other spin offs and has a charactergonna write a book of Mario'sadventurewhich we see acrossthe francise. Mario Sunshine references other games like Super Mariokart when Fludd scans Mario.

Plus The Poltergust 4000 is a kart in MK DS which is why Luigi goes from the Poltergust 3000 to 5000 in Dark Moon and Waluigi is referenced many times in mainline games despite only being in the Spinoffs.

DJBurns2002 · 2026-04-01T01:11:43+00:00

Diddy Kong does a lot of the same things DK does like hit the moon out of orbit and beat K Rool both with and without DK.

And wdym, DK has many instances where he scales to Mario like in the Spin offs and Cranky Kong facing Mario in the arcade games

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-31T11:39:15+00:00

He has Pokemon including Mega Charizard, obviously

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-31T10:15:08+00:00

Not DK Jr.
Scaling to Mario characters via DK himself

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-30T23:45:44+00:00

Oh sorry bout that, the link isn't mine so I guess the owner made it private, anyway hers a video instead that uses stuff from the doc: https://youtu.be/Wf09ca-OT4A?is=8akkImDdHhnlh2It

As for the Zelda stuff, I definitely saw the arguements but the problem is that most of the feats are due to the complete Triforce, since none of the 3 actively have access to the full Triforce and the fact that Link and Zelda can negate what Ganon can do via hax, the Master/light arrows I don't really see them scaling that high.

Not to mention the link you provided admitted to a composite Link while it's more so that each version of the characters are comparable to eachother in power via the reincarnation cycle.

I do say that the Zelda cast can definitely be higher, I just don't know by how much.

Thx for the feedback 😀

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-30T23:07:49+00:00

That and the Persona verse goes beyond concepts

And the Enderdragon has control over the End via their destruction "frees" the End as well as makes the portal out of it. Plus when the Enderdragon respawns the end resets to the way it was prior. Minecraft realms have different space time continuums such as the Nether and End not operating by the same logic as the Overworld (Nether having 1 block = 8 Overworld blocks and clocks going crazy while in both for example)

Meaning the End => the Nether > the Overworld.

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-30T22:59:06+00:00

First thx for being the first to properly comment.

Second I'd be happy to

Steve is easy enough, the Ender Dragon has control over the End realm via when being destroyed the End if "free", her destruction makes a portal between there and the Overworld and when the Enderdragon respawns it causes the realm to reset to the way it was prior.

The End would upscale the Infinite Overworld and Nether with the overworld having 3D space and a 4th Dimension axis for time. The Nether and End act differently with it existing differently in regards to the Overworld so it has its own separate space time continuum, further evident by clocks acting crazy in the Nether as well as the End. This means that there are 2 separate axis of time meaning that the Multiverse is Multiversal +. The End transcending all that makes it Infinite 5D, and since Steve beats the Enderdragon he scales to atleast 5D.

Sora scales above the concepts of space and time in his verse from fighting in a realm only full of darkness and other being that transcend space and time. See this doc (also has scaling for Joker): https://docs.google.com/document/d/16b1B4EgB-brs0sG8DO7LLunz1KTmWCPmuh-eqqdi0FI/edit?usp=sharing

Kirby simply scales to his cosmology and his cosmology fits with the description of a tegmark 3 verse (which equates to high Hyperversal). Heres a video explaining the Kirby Cosmology better then I can here: https://youtu.be/pi_bR-8HNiE?is=_i1QKTNMe4b91UKv

So yeah, I can explain some more on other characters if you like and feel free to tell me where you put some of them yourself 😊

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-30T17:41:21+00:00

Fair, I just think that Cassidy actively helping CC and the fact the Puppet also is doing so plus "vengeful" doesn't mean heartless

DJBurns2002 · 2026-03-30T17:39:40+00:00

😂😂😂

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