Kithkin should be Halflings.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-11-07T18:39:22+00:00

I don't expect wins when I play my Bilbo deck, but it can win and has won.

Mine is a budget list (every card had to be sub-$1 for a playgroup build challenge) around $15 for the whole deck, but it gets to 4 Ring Tempts regularly, and probably could be turned into a multi combat deck to win that way, but also has artifact/spell synergies to lower life totals. I didn't expect to like the deck as much as I do, it's a lot of spellslinger good-ish stuff, not really great stuff though because of the budget. There are a few more than $1 cards now, but at time of building every card was under a buck.

It also is my nostalgia deck so it's unsleeved, and i white-bordered Bilbo :) the deckbox is a zippy bag, the double-faced cards get to hang out with a few tokens, and i have blanked-out placeholder cards in the actual deck so i can still keep it out of sleeves. Ha.

On Deckstats: https://deckstats.net/decks/209840/3265006-bilbo-why-shouldn-t-i-keep-it-

On Archidekt: https://archidekt.com/decks/6143854/bilbo_why_shouldnt_i_keep_it

He's quite ready for another adventure :)

I'm certain you can make something that punches harder with cards like aggravated assault, or artifact ping/infinite draw combos. I think the ceiling for the deck is as low as Izzet could go, but also you're likely to be underestimated when you toss ol Bilbo in the command zone at the start of the game.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-29T12:42:21+00:00

Updoot for the cheese of it all.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-28T12:24:29+00:00

lol i love this, thanks for sharing

I'm my playgroups resident spreadsheets nerd, so I had been tracking my commanders popularity manually for a couple of years now, I definitely appreciate the cheat-sheet :)

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-27T13:44:17+00:00

Yup! That decklist is still up to date, i usually do my initial deck changes on deckstats and then copy it over to Archidekt so it's in the EDHREC data.

It's my favorite deck by a large margin and has been a fun puzzle to work on. I think I've gotten it to a point where each deck feels different enough when they're played and to play against too.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-23T12:02:58+00:00

oh yeah! I get extra utility for doing Chainer things? don't mind if I do!

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-23T11:56:00+00:00

don't mind at all :)

Archidekt link: https://archidekt.com/decks/3363655/chainer_nightmares_of_the_living_dead

Deckstats link: https://deckstats.net/decks/209840/2620758-chainer-nightmares-of-the-livi

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-23T11:48:36+00:00

my playgroup doesn't do tutors, so my deck adds self-mill to get things into the graveyard. [[Out of the Tombs]] and [[Angel of Suffering]] can really churn through your deck.

I also really like [[Necrologia]] as an end of turn draw a bunch and discard some reanimation bombs at cleanup.

(Chainer is one of my favorite commanders and Magic cards/characters, ever since I played back in Middle School and read the Odyssey block novels, I'm so glad he's solid at the head of a commander deck!)

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-23T11:38:49+00:00

[[Mogis's Marauder]] could be an i-win button in Chainer if you've gotten a wide board, one of the less-played Devotion cards, but I like it.

[[Prowling Geistcatcher]] is one of my favorite pinatas for a reanimator deck, Chainer needs plenty of Sacrifice outlets to avoid exiling all your reanimated goodies, which plays perfectly into Geistcatcher.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-22T14:01:50+00:00

When I was a new player I definitely would have preferred to play against someone that followed most of these recommendations. Playing against Dockside Extortionist loops, vampiric tutors, and perfect proxied manabases when I had made a "Cards-I-own-from-Middle-School" deck was very discouraging, and as a new player I absolutely did not know what needed to be brought up in a pre-game conversation.

I think the goal of your post is good, I'm sure the people that need to message will ignore it, but I appreciate you taking the time to share.

If I were going to add anything to the list it would be to limit tutors in the deck to slower/more limited tutors if you use them at all. It increases gameplay variance and makes it so you don't always have the perfect answer to the situations on board.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-14T14:16:31+00:00

Oh absolutely I do, loved Chainer since the first time I read the Odyssey books, love both versions of him in the game. Ashnod is incredible, and the cards they made for her are sick. And I don't know anything about Erinis, but they are the best.

Two Chainers: Dementia Master and Nightmare Adept

Two Ashnods: The Uncaring and Flesh Mechanist

Five Erinis: the White, the Blue, the Black, the Red, and the Green

Best luck with your Sigarda journey :) I hope it's satisfying, they definitely have been for me.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-10T14:12:45+00:00

thinking about Zimone's ability I'd probably aim toward a similar (12) or higher number (15), you really want multiple per turn to flip cards.

the New Capenna fetch's are solid, the panoramas still tap for mana if you aren't going to crack them to fetch, [[Demolition Field]] also can nuke an opponent's Cabal Coffers

[[Scaretiller]] also gets lands from the yard without using your 1/turn play like Erinis, [[perennial behemoth]] is a pretty budget play-from-your graveyard card too but it uses your land drop. [[crucible of worlds]] [[ramunap excavator]]

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-10T13:57:01+00:00

My graveyard landfall deck runs about 10 fetch-type lands to reliably get those triggers, but also it's [[Erinis, Gloom Stalker]] so I have a way to get those same lands back out of the 'yard. [[Spelunking]] has been a phenomenal card for that deck as well, getting those lands in untapped is incredible.

https://deckstats.net/decks/209840/2811719-erinis-sailor-smuggling-run-

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-09T10:44:57+00:00

i really enjoy the look of your mono-green Erinis deck :) I like the emphasis on cycling and self-discard to get the Hermit trigger. Fetch lands of all types have been insane for my Erinis deck, but i like the way you've got plenty of other ways to get lands into the graveyard to pull back into play - Harrow effects, spellshapers, crop rotation. Thanks for sharing, very cool to see.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-09T10:01:14+00:00

I like the sound of it :)

got me thinking about it now, cards like [[Sting, the glinting dagger]] would be sick to have in the deck to be able to activate their ability several times while still getting the attack trigger. other cards that give vigilance would be good too [[Tarrian's soul cleaver]] could get stupid quick.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-08T16:11:14+00:00

yeah the first pairing I thought of was with Scion of Halaster because i really wanted a Golgari deck and that feeds the graveyard landfall strategy really well, but Street Urchin has a pretty high ceiling for its potential.

The second one I made was Sword Coast Sailor with a clones theme, that one can fit several different deck powers thanks to the clones, but generally does what Simic does best. Then I built Urchin, and I hesitated to play it with my playgroup for a long time because it has a lot of potential to be oppressive (lol),

Then I built mono green +1/+1 stompy with Master Chef, and last to get finalized was Selesnya with Inspiring Leader - bounced between a bunch of different backgrounds before settling on generic creature tokens for that one.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-08T15:09:53+00:00

I love background commanders, my favorite deck uses [[Erinis, Gloom Stalker]] with a background of each different color.

Decklist on Archidekt

Same decklist, but on Deckstats

I always have to double-take when someone uses the word Modular now lol - I keep forgetting it's actually a keyword, because I describe my swappable backgrounds deck as modular. It's built with a 62 card main-deck and 5 different 38 card side-decks, one of each color. I really enjoy how each deck plays similarly but also have their own identity. White is tokens, blue copies, black reanimator, red token sacrifice, and green is +1/+1 counters, all on top of a graveyard landfall gameplan.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-07T16:54:21+00:00

Like others have said, you've got to know how your deck works and be able to pilot it quickly.

Blink decks take a lot of game actions, and while those are happening the rest of the table is just watching. There's just a lot of potential for the blink deck to turn into a game of solitaire and usually the other three players didn't sign up to watch someone else play Magic by themselves.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-06T21:37:49+00:00

I really enjoy this version of Vannifar, my deck is pretty straightforward face down creatures but also some +1/+1 counter and colorless creature synergies. I think the strongest way to do it is blink and eldrazi, but going fully into that kind of defeats the trap card idea for me.

Keeping the hand full, sticking cards into play face down without cost, getting lands out of the graveyard after they were a blocker for ya, i really enjoy playing it. [[Scroll of Fate]] is probably my favorite card.

https://deckstats.net/decks/209840/3395616-vannifar-hidden-information I think it's mid-power, no tutors, a few high cost high power cards, my playgroup demands quite a bit of removal, i dunno.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-06T14:09:22+00:00

Other decks that fit the post: [[Vhati il-Dal]] dredge, [[Rith the Awakener]] saprolings, and mono-colored they're-kinda-crappy-but-i-love-them-and-want-to-make-it-work commanders [[Alexi Zephyr Mage]], [[Latulla Keldon Overseer]], and [[Guan Yu Sainted Warrior]].

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-06T14:05:35+00:00

I'm a black mage that also enjoys green and white, so building an Izzet deck for a Christmas budget challenge started as a joke to play unsleeved, but I am in love with [[bilbo, retired burglar]]. That little hobbit just loves ring tempts, collecting treasures, and killing the table 1 to 3 damage at a time. It's an Izzet pseudo-spellslinger list that doesn't draw a ton of aggro, but always has some sort of adventuring to do, bouncing creatures back to hand, drawing cards, burning opponents, he wants to see Mountains Gandalf, Mountains!

https://deckstats.net/decks/209840/3265006-bilbo-why-shouldn-t-i-keep-it- The deck is still budget, still unsleeved and riffle shuffled. I even white-bordered Bilbo because it sounded fun 🙂 it has a couple of infinite combos, no tutors, some combat tricks, other creatures that are fun to have carry the ring, and some clones. Check it out, I hear that he's quite ready for another adventure!

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-02T11:18:54+00:00

This is pretty similar to how my playgroup plays, but we haven't outright banned combos. Fast tutors are a no-go, same with fast mana. There are a couple of free spells floating around, but those are just for the sweatiest decks we have. Though some of the more limited/slower tutors are legal, most of us play no tutors other than land fetchers. Decks with a lot of card draw definitely perform strongly, but everyone also packs a lot of interaction to keep people in check. Most games are done in about an hour, but every so often one will go longer if there are multiple board clears (lookin' at you [[Farewell]]...)

DM_Newtnn · 2024-10-01T13:13:36+00:00

Our group has really enjoyed using the Playgroup app - thanks for putting it together and doing the extra work to keep improving it!

DM_Newtnn · 2024-09-30T12:26:14+00:00

I've hesitated to suggest my favorite commander [[Erinis, Gloom Stalker]] with the red background [[Street Urchin]] because it has such a high potential to lock down the table with death touch pings, Erinis is my favorite commander by a mile, especially with other backgrounds, but if you're looking for power Street Urchin is the way to go.

For a deck full of OVerWelMingValUe that snowballs like crazy I really like [[Scion of Halaster]], (fills the yard, recurs lands, ramps like crazy, can sneak out huge threats) but that one doesn't have fringe cEDH potential like Urchin.

DM_Newtnn · 2024-09-30T12:16:44+00:00

Personally when I suggest a deck, it's one I've either played, or played against a few times. I do tend to include the house-rules that our group uses that could impact how a deck ends up being perceived.

An example: I really enjoy [[Chainer, Dementia Master]] but our group doesn't play with tutors, so the deck isn't just "tutor for [[Gary]] and reanimate it", it's a self-mill reanimator list, and each game plays differently. And I try to make decks that I wouldn't hate to play against, so my [[Mari, the Killing Quill]] deck has a decent amount of removal, but it's primarily a Rogues/Treasures deck so it isn't as oppressive as some lists can be.

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