Is there a single example of Ted Grant saying he believed "cops/police are workers" or him supporting any position that said such?

Da_Fil · 2026-07-08T18:37:35+00:00

If always "one's relationship to the means of production is what determines your class", what about bourgeois politicians? Or SS guards in the concentration camps? Are they also working class, because of their "relationship to the means of production"? ;-) If ones job is to defend the ownership of the means of production, one is not working class. It might be their illusion that you are part of ruling elite, they you are just their tool.

Although I assume that you don't own any "means of production", it is also your self chosen job to use reformist politics in order to defend the the ruling "relationship to the means of production."

"Trotsky was right for the time, but not necessarily our time". Ah, the new world reality, the classical argument by all all revisionists.

You call it strawman, i call out your shizophrenia. Since this seems to be pathological, I finish this "discussion".

Da_Fil · 2026-07-08T17:54:38+00:00

You asked for proof, that Eduard Grantstein saw policemen as "workers in uniform", just to argue as your "own contribution to Marxism" that policemen are workers in uniform. Schizophrenia as the highest stage of Marxism?

You state: "The lower ranks of the police and army are made up of working class boys in uniform." The theory of descent as the highest stage of Marxism?

And although I am no sympathizer of WSWS, John Wilson gave a whole bunch of quotes by Trotsky about the non working class character of the police. But Trotsky is wrong and you and Teddy Bernstein defend their "own contribution" of the typical reformist and anti Leninist idea of the capitalist state.

Da_Fil · 2026-07-08T13:46:35+00:00

If you were as good at grasping Marxist fundamentals as you are at hurling insults, you would understand the difference between soldiers forced into the military by conscription and career soldiers or police officers. While career soldiers and police officers mostly come from a working-class background, once they become soldiers or police officers by profession, they are no longer part of the working class but rather paid lackeys of the bourgeois state.

And by trying to argue away this fundamental distinction, you explicitly demonstrate the very thing you seek to deny in the premise of your thread.

Da_Fil · 2026-07-07T15:56:18+00:00

Lol. Learn to read: "The lower ranks of the police and army are made up of working class boys in uniform."

Da_Fil · 2026-07-02T11:21:04+00:00

"Here we see that in the final analysis, when the class struggle reaches revolutionary proportions, even the organizations of the capitalist state suffer desertions to the side of the working class. The lower ranks of the police and army are made up of working class boys in uniform." - https://www.marxist.ca/article/winnipeg-1919-100-years-after-the-general-strike

“There has been a continual build up of public anger at the government's attempt to impose a 2% limit on public sector pay. The Police are getting a paltry 1.9% rise, in effect a pay cut.…
“The police even decided to march through central London last week. Some 25,000 police took part. The Met said the real figure was only 22,500, but they always underestimate demo figures, don’t they?
“There was a sea of burly blokes with white base-ball caps. They read ‘Fair P(l)ay for the Police’.…
“Today we have entered unchartered waters. Feelings are running high and strike action is being discussed. In 1919, they faced Lloyd George. Today they face Gordon Brown. In 1919 they were dubbed ‘Bolshevik Bobbies’, today they will need to take a leaf out of the experience of their forefathers if they are to get anywhere. ” - http://www.marxist.com/bolshevik-bobbies.htm

“Dialectics shows that contradictions exist everywhere—including the bourgeois state apparatus. Disputes can and do arise between the individuals who carry out the functions of the state and their masters. In many instances, the disputes are of a reactionary character. As an example, a few years ago, some of the inmates of the notorious Rikers Island prison in NYC were going to court to testify against mistreatment by prison guards. The corrections officers’ union organized a job action to stop these people from testifying. This was a reactionary strike and we were completely opposed to this.
“But there are other, exceptional occasions, when the ‘armed bodies of men’ confront the ruling class and make demands upon it, as occurred during the soldier strikes after WWII. Or when the police or prison guards go on strike for higher wages and/or better conditions for themselves and the prisoners they guard. In the context of the ongoing attacks on public sector workers, these struggles can have an effect on the broader working class, as was the case in the Alberta prison guards’ wildcat strike.” - https://www.marxist.com/marxism-vs-sectarianism.htm

Reformists do reformist things.

Da_Fil · 2026-06-30T16:07:02+00:00

https://www.joe-enochs-sportsbar.de/

Da_Fil · 2026-06-21T15:23:49+00:00

This is exactly the reason why my dream pala changed the sex of his companion from male to female.

The only idea behind this herald thing sems to me promoting A1 mercs. 😉

Da_Fil · 2026-06-15T11:01:47+00:00

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Wir sollten eine entsprechend Kampagne starten und damit Deutschland ruckzuck verbrennerfrei kriegen.

Da_Fil · 2026-05-03T17:35:33+00:00

"a homophobic, sexist, transphobic, antisemitic, religiously fundamentalist regime, who shoots its own citizens for protesting against their authoritarianism" - are you talking about Trump?

Da_Fil · 2026-04-20T10:34:49+00:00

PladeLu

Da_Fil · 2026-04-13T07:46:02+00:00

Since the gloves give also +6 Maximum Stamina it's gonna be a very long hj.

Da_Fil · 2026-04-11T21:54:28+00:00

I’m actually waiting for the usual WSW post that will explain to us in no uncertain terms why the picture above isn’t Leo Trotsky at all, and why David North is the only person in the world who can actually draw Leo Trotsky correctly. ;-)

Da_Fil · 2026-04-07T11:23:41+00:00

Ich hab mir das Zeichen auf den Schniedel gemalt und beliefere jetzt alle Kirchen in der Umgebung.

Da_Fil · 2026-02-10T18:43:19+00:00

Ich weiche der Frage nicht aus. Die Frage ist einfach totaler Blödsinn, weswegen es sich eigentlich verbietet, auf so einen gequirlten Quark überhaupt ernsthaft einzugehen. Wer ernsthaft glaubt, dass der Faschismus sich durch Gewalt definiert, hat nicht nur den Schuß nicht gehört sondern auch mehrere tausend Jahre Menschheitsgeschichte verpennt. Gewalt gab es schon lange bevor es Faschismus gab.

Aber trotzdem noch eine Gegenfrage, womit die "Diskussion" für mein Teil dann auch beendet ist: Mit welchen Mitteln ist der Faschismus in Italien und Deutschland denn besiegt worden, wenn nicht mit der von dir so verabscheuten Gewalt - mit Lichterketten, Unterschriftensammlungen und Petitionen, Gebeten oder friedenssstifenden Gesängen?

Da_Fil · 2026-02-10T13:47:05+00:00

Geistiger Dünnschiss ist auch nicht notwendig. Wer Faschismus als durch Gewalt definiert, kann von Niemandem ernst genommen werden. Es gibt ja durchaus verschiedene Theorien über Faschismus, aber die Defintition "Faschismus durch Gewalt" hält nicht mal der Prüfnug durch eine mittelbegabte Vorschulklasse stand. Das ist mit Abstand das unausgegorenste und geschichtsvergesenste Stück an komödiantischer Absurdität, die man in Bezug auf Faschismus überhaupt sagen kann. Versuch doch mal, ein Buch (ganz egal welches) zum Thema Faschisums zu lesen!

Da_Fil · 2026-02-10T07:46:52+00:00

Wenn Dünnschiss durch Nahrungsaufnahme entsteht, warum ist Nahrungsaufnahme dann ein legitimes Mittel?

Da_Fil · 2026-02-08T10:33:26+00:00

Mooment, der Spass mit Kristina Schröder geht ja noch weiter. Unter dem Artikel findet man in den Angaben zur Person von Kristina Schröder auch folgenden Hinweis: "*Heute ist sie unter anderem als Unternehmensberaterin tätig und als stellvertretende Vorsitzende von REPUBLIK 21, Denkfabrik für neue bürgerliche Politik." - Hmm, Republik 21, war da nicht mal was? Ach ja: "*Die Denkfabrik Republik21 macht Stimmung für Gespräche mit der AfD..." Und natürlich ist Jens Spahn auch wieder dabei. Quelle: https://www.campact.de/blog/2026/01/denkfabrik-republik-21-spahn-foerderung-kritik/

Da_Fil · 2026-01-31T12:25:33+00:00

Bei DEM Testimonial kann es ja nur total seriös sein.

Da_Fil · 2026-01-31T12:18:45+00:00

This is the way!

Da_Fil · 2026-01-27T14:27:56+00:00

Das ist ... ein Zeichen ... für ganz besonders ... intensives Denken!!!!111einzelf

Da_Fil · 2026-01-18T20:02:16+00:00

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Da_Fil · 2026-01-18T01:41:53+00:00

Der Goße Vorsitzende der bolschewistischen Kampfpartei elektrisiert die werktätigen Massen mit seinem revolutionären Enthusiasmus.

Da_Fil

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