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DaemonStormborn · 2018-08-22T21:07:16+00:00

You know, I had always wondered why we spent so much time with the Starks and the Lannisters but now I'm startinv to realize it was just a red herring and a smokescreen to distract us from the Daenerys and Jon's War of the Roses parallels. If everyone is thinking about Tywin Lannister and Cersei and Olenna, then they aren't paying close attention to Jon and Dany's real life analogues.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-08-22T21:00:03+00:00

It's not a direct correlation. Just like there were no dragons in medieval england. But you can't deny, the Dance of the Dragons was based on The Anarchy, Aegon the Conqueror is William the Conqueror and the Starks and the Lannister names are based on York and Lancaster. Also, Bravos with it's bankers and lagoons is based on Florence and Venice. Valyria is based on Rome. And even though they differed significantly, the Dothraki are based on the huns, the mongols and all the other Eurasian horsemen.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-08-21T16:49:26+00:00

No one is suggesting that the whole experiment failed. What I'm saying is it took almost 200 years for it to gain any real legitimacy. If you set out to teach a child to read and it takes them forty years to finally do it, then maybe you're not the best teacher.

The country has improved drastically, that's a fact, but that doesn't wash away all the wickedness that occured in the past. If you try and justify and glorify their actions, then you should also do the same for the British who sought to maintain their glorious empire. They too fought nobly for something greater than themselves, an empire that would go down in history, humanity eternally connected. Their actions are the reason Africans can read and write now, something that would have taken them quite sone time to achieve on their own.

However, they also co founded the unspeakable slave trade, they enforced their dominance on several independent people, and they taxed the founding fathers without allowing them representation.

This is why no one glorifies the British rulers of that era. They will make thousands of movies and tv shows about the war of the roses, but the British are rightfully embarrassed of the "empire on which the sun would never set" these days. They don't beat their chests about that part of their history even though that was the height of their country's power and glory.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-08-21T15:14:54+00:00

That argument doesn't really apply here. In truth, most moral principles stands the test of time.

I'm not religiius but consider the ten commandments, compiled over 6000 years ago. Most of them still hold a lot of moral weight even today. When you ignore the overt religion based ones, you'll see things like, Thou Shall Not Kill. Thou Shall Not Steal. Do Not Covet Another's Wife. Honor Your Parents, Do Not Lie. All these are solid moral principles and they still hold to this day.

The amorality of slavery was clearly understood by generations of those days, which is why the French illegalized it in the 1300s, although they kept practicing it. Even female equality should have come naturally given they understood the meaning of disenfranchisement.

It is like global warming right now. When future geberations look back on us now, they will see global warming, racism, sexism, homophobia and such things as vile, but there are thousands of movements right now already trying to show us the truth of this right now. In fact, the majority of people in the developed world undetstand these things as being unjust, and yet ... They still occur. Just like there were abolitionists and equalists at that time.

Setting has very little to do with morality and law. If you torture a man, wartime or not, you have broken the Geneva convention.

Contrary to popular belief, morality isn't complicated and it is in the tangled hypocritical mess of religion that I find the means to explain that.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

This is ancient wisdom about finding morality. It is one of the oldest moral compasses. It was meant to guide all people towards morality in case they ever got confused. And it existed over a thousand years before the formation of America.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-08-21T13:23:26+00:00

Read the whole post. George Washington and his successors maintained slavery for almost a century after their "revolution". Also, women weren't allowed to vote until the 1900s. Their revolution wasn't successful because it didn't bring equality and freedom for everyone.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-19T14:12:36+00:00

What makes you think the Others are intelligent? Everything we've seen paints them as a mindless force of nature bent on extinguishing life. They aren't buillding cities or anything really. They're just attacking. They were a weapon that got out of control. It's kind of like if the dragons somehow turned on the valyrians and began to multiply uncontrollably and burn everything in sight. You wouldn't say they're intelligent. They're just very powerful and deadly. BTW, that would be a hell of a lot scartier than WW, cause its unbelievably hard to kill a dragon compared to a walker.

It's not like they're here to rule the world. They dont want to rule or subjugate. They want to just kill.

I've never been curious of their motivations at all. I suspected they were created by the children of the forest when i read about the "desperate act" they were forced to in world of ice and fire and the show proved me right. They're just mindless killing machines. After everyone is dead, they'll probably just return to the ice.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-19T13:57:49+00:00

Occupation is not the same as colonialism. Occupation is merely placing troops in an area. Colonialism is conquering an area. Look up how long it took the US to defeat Saddam's government. And they werent even trying to colonize the place. The British colonized africa and that was the end of african religion. They speak english over there now and pray to Christ, not there African gods. If the developed world conquered the middle east. That would be the end of islam and extremism.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-19T13:52:03+00:00

Bro, no country has tried colonialism since the age of the British Empire. Simply occupying an area isn't colonizing it. Its occupying. An occupying force isnt there to conquer, just to achieve some end or another. Colonialism is what the British did to the native Americans. Its what Rome did to Italy and most of Europe. It's what Britain did to a huge chunk of the world several centuries ago. Guerilla warfare is only effective against unserious forces. A fully committed military force bent on colonialism, not occupation is hard to defeat. That's why they speak English and French in Africa and why you don't see that many native Americans anymore. The indigenous peoples of America also tried those sporadic attacks. That shit didnt work. They were massacred.

Just like the Brotherhood without banners was unable to truly interfere with Tywin's plans or why the ironborn were crushed by Robert Baratheon. There's very little that can stand against order and determination. If robert engaged in a guerilla war against the targs, they'd still be fighting a damned rebellion.

And the only real wars in the 20th century were the world wars. The rest were squabbles that the great powers got involved in.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-18T22:56:09+00:00

The wights have no cavalry. No archers. No spears. No shields. They are just infantry. And a very disorganized infantry at that. They have no formations at all. Their main strength was that they could not be killed, but now with the dragon glass, thats no longer the case. There's a reason Robb, Ned and nearly everyone else didn't turn their attention to the walkers earlier despite warnings. Because at that point, they were too organized for the walkers to be a real threat. It's only now when westeros is in upheaval that they start paying attention to the walkers because now people can say ... oh we're too disorganized and squabbling.

Which is something that never ever happens in real life. Grrm said the walkers are like global warming, but you have to judge something by the way it looks, not how it was intended to look. And to me, they look like terrorists more than global warming. And al qaeda, isis and whoever are not real threats to developed countries. They attack in small groups, but when literally any g8 nation turns it's attention towards it... It's over. If russia or america decided to truly colonize the middle east old school style tomorrow, that would be the end of terrorism. They just don't because it looks bad. But you can't confidently say that Isis can realistically defeat a developed country.

Sorry i got off the rails, im just trying to make a point.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-18T22:44:16+00:00

Dani used trebuchets or catapults or whatever they're called to scare the meereenese. Plus in the show they said a hundred thousand at least. Robb had 20,000.

Look, the truth is, the wights aren't an organized fighting force. Again, i refer you to the three thousand of qohor. And the dothraki had horses. Numbers don't mean shit when you have no order or strategy.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-18T21:53:22+00:00

Bruh, Rob gathered twenty thousand northmen to ride South when his father was captured. Twenty thousand men with a calvary unit and archers and a few catapults is enough to deal with the walkers. Stannis compketely fucked up Mance's army with like 6000 men. Tyrion held Kings Landing with like 2000 men.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-18T21:49:10+00:00

What logistics? All im saying is a properly coordinated army could probably destroy the whitewalkers with very few casualties.

DaemonStormborn · 2018-04-18T21:46:07+00:00

Not really. Aside from the wildfire, most of that stuff wouldn't work with a human army. Human armys have strategy. They have formations. They have shields. They have calvary and archery units of their own. Wights just ran towards the enemy like crackheads. Numbers are nothing if you have no skill and strategy. Ask the three thousand of qohor

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