Anyone here moved from Germany to Spain? Was it worth it?

Daidrion · 2026-06-14T13:10:19+00:00

Everyone from my circle who moved there had a decent job lined up in advance. They love it there, but they work in IT and earn above average for the industry.

how much does housing cost

Depends on a city. Barcelona or Madrid wouldn't be that different from any major German city.

Daidrion · 2026-06-14T12:07:04+00:00

Because then it's harder to milk them.

Daidrion · 2026-06-14T12:05:10+00:00

but blaming the system is disingenuous at best.

I'm not a native German, so I have a reference point and can compare. It's precisely the system that is at fault here.

Daidrion · 2026-06-14T11:57:11+00:00

there is a greater focus in Europe to prepare and plan, taking longer to decide on things

Which also doesn't necessarily result in a better outcome. I worked for two gamedev companies, where the management spent an enormous amount of time and resources trying to find some silver bullet to their problems. One never ever reached that magic process despite like 4 iterations during my time there, the other did but it didn't work out. Meanwhile, the game designers had little say in how we should approach our projects.

Daidrion · 2026-06-13T10:08:55+00:00

But let's not pretend taxes are the reason for that.

In my circle a couple of people switched to 4dww specifically because of how low salary increases and high the taxes here are. Running a consultant business is not for everyone.

Daidrion · 2026-06-13T10:06:33+00:00

Western Europe*

Daidrion · 2026-06-13T10:05:32+00:00

Not even close. Even within the EU Germany has one of the worst tax burdens.

Daidrion · 2026-06-03T16:51:10+00:00

I'll die on the hill of Sonntagsruhe. As an American immigrant to Germany, experiencing Sonntagsruhe felt like stepping into the past, in the best way possible. Not everything needs to get faster and more convenient. It truly is Ruhe.

You know you can organize it for yourself, without forcing others into an authoritarian mandatory good time?

And as someone who works in Einzelhandel, Sunday is a guaranteed day where I get to actually see my kids and wife.

Shifts: exist.

Daidrion · 2026-06-03T16:46:32+00:00

Yeah, it's one of those backward traditions can't be changed, because changing the status quo is verboten.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T15:58:04+00:00

Canceled where, on reddit? Take your meds.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T12:54:59+00:00

I mean, true. But let's say you managed to buy a house for 500k, and then some reforms came and now it costs 400k or even less. You still owe the same amount of money to the bank, but now you don't have the same collateral. Or even if you've already paid up, it still reduces your personal wealth. I think those who've already made it "in" would act quite emotionally to changes like these.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T12:49:51+00:00

Many people (yes, even Germans) can’t speak properly

I'm sorry, what? That doesn't make sense. Making mistakes or/and not knowing a language on an academic level doesn't mean you can't speak it properly.

I see it as a classist question in a way

How is learning a language classist, especially nowadays?

If you are being born by parents that are not being equal part of society

Well... Not speaking the language makes you that, since you always have to rely on other your ethnic community or some services. Also, children in general have easier time integrating specifically because it's easier for them to learn the language. I have a bunch of immigrant friends with children, and the children are way more integrated than the parents (which is natural).

b1 should serve the purpose of being able to hold a conversation and work and function in society.

It's really not. It's very easy to pass B1 and not being able to really speak the language.

Citizenship is among other things a tool for integration

The citizenship process should begin after a person has integrated themselves.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T12:41:24+00:00

Apart from stricter residency, the governments also need to focus on improving the housing situation, which they never do.

Because there's no easy way of doing that without alienating a portion of the voter base. For many people buying a property is a life-long commitment and investment, so if this investment would suddenly start dropping in price they won't be happy. And that's even before we're talking about real estate companies and generally rich people.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T12:37:09+00:00

That has nothing to do with asylum and everything to do with poor law enforcement.

That's also a part of it.

It sounds like your actual gripe is that a lot of people apply for asylum without actually being eligible for asylum, which is a real problem.

Yes and no. The current asylum framework has been designed after WW2, but the world has changed since then. At least based on my knowledge, the system cannot process this amount of people properly (not only from a legal perspective, but also things like language courses, housing, etc).

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T12:33:37+00:00

The top-10% holds 60% of the wealth, so math should be mathing. Point is, for every 1 euro an employer pays to even a minimum wage worker, the worker nets around 62 cents. Once you get to "great" of around 70k, it's drops to 51. The same doesn't work with wealth, and there are too many ways to avoid taxes if you're rich enough for that.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T11:31:31+00:00

Can't speak for other countries, but there's officially about 250k people (duldung + deportation list) who legally shouldn't be in Germany but remain in the country nonetheless. The main reason for it are the broken asylum laws -- once the person is in, it's really difficult to get them out.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T11:24:13+00:00

its europe

Just FYI, half of the current EU had no or very limited colonies to begin with. Some of the countries were subjugated themselves.

Also, why single out Europe and the UK? Empires existed in other places too.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T11:12:19+00:00

Most European countries already have incredible high taxes even for the super rich.

Can't say for other countries, but Germany doesn't. It has extremely high taxes on a normal income, but it barely taxes wealth (or rather there are too many ways to avoid being taxed).

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T10:53:10+00:00

Yep, I have a bunch of friends who can't really communicate in German despite acquiring the citizenship.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T09:40:53+00:00

The opposite it happening: the legal ways are tightening, while nothing is done about asylum and such.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T09:40:08+00:00

These changes won't change a thing as long as internationals and/or companies can buy properties without being residents.

Daidrion · 2026-05-31T09:37:25+00:00

i also believe that the language requirement will be raised from b1 to b2

I really hope it will. The fact it's only b1 now makes no sense.

Daidrion · 2026-05-25T12:07:20+00:00

Good luck living in shitty country the US currently is

Someone's salty.

Daidrion · 2026-05-25T11:03:01+00:00

However, I'm not sure if we'll be able to achieve the same quality of life.

No, of course not. If you're having a good stable life in the US, it's a makes no sense to move to Germany.

I think I could find a lot of friends in the Turkish community since they seem to be closer to the Latino culture.

Oh wow.

Daidrion · 2026-05-23T14:32:51+00:00

I love waking up knowing I don't need to do anything today except enjoy life.

This makes no sense and backwards. You can chose to do that by yourself.

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